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Wired News July 31, 2003

Kill Troops' Off Hours

In-Depth Coverage

By Noah Shachtman

Just out of high school, thousands of miles from friends and parents, and isolated by language and culture from the people around them, young airmen stationed on a U.S. Air Force base in Europe can find life pretty lonely.

But now the military's fresh faces can get a bit of the comforts of home -- by wasting their pals in an online shoot-'em-up game.

U.S. Air Forces in Europe, or USAFE, is investing about $200,000 into networked gaming centers at 14 bases scattered across the continent. All told, more than 100 Microsoft Xbox game consoles will be purchased, giving thousands of airmen a familiar new option for their downtime.

"Everything is so different here. So it's nice to have a taste of what (airmen) are used to -- a taste of America," said David Quinn, who heads the USAFE's Community Activities branch. "This is a way to get them out of the dorms, to keep them from sitting and staring at four walls."

Phillip Carter, a former Army officer who led soldiers in Korea, added in an e-mail, "Young soldiers and airmen in their first assignment overseas can be less than a year out of high school. Playing video games may not seem like a lot, but it can really mean a lot to someone who's that young and away from home for the first time."

Quinn's goal is to link up each of the gaming centers with high-speed Internet connections, and to organize Europe-wide Xbox tournaments. But such hookups will take months to complete -- if they happen at all. And several of the centers won't be open until the fall, at least.

The game rooms that already have opened -- in places like Lajes Field, in the Azores islands off Portugal -- are being mobbed by eager airmen.

"It's taking off like a rocket. There have been big waiting lines since right after it opened," said Ian Foster, who's in charge of Lajes' community center.

Foster has four game consoles, connected to 29-inch TVs, in a room festooned with Xbox-inspired art. He's bought 66 games already, and recently received a $5,000 grant to purchase more gear. Interest has been so high that airmen now have to register in advance to play. Time limits of an hour on the gaming consoles have been cut to 30 minutes.

In the past, the military's quality-of-life initiatives have focused on the married soldier or airman, noted John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org.

"They've had a hard time keeping single service members entertained when not on duty. But as we shift from a peacetime to a wartime military, you're going to have a lot more single service members. And if you just turn 'em loose at 5 o'clock, they're going to come home with the clap," he said.

But the game centers were not an edict from on high to deal with hell raisers. The push for games came from the airmen themselves, said Mandy Smith-Nethercott, a USAFE spokeswoman. At Spangdahlem Air Base in southwestern Germany, an airmen's committee -- designed, in her words, to "get them out of their dorm rooms, and into something new" -- made Internet gaming its No. 1 priority.

After the 12 Xboxes installed at Spangdahlem became immensely popular, a decision was made to roll the consoles out to the other 13 bases.

The move was made without consulting Microsoft, said Xbox product manager David Hufford. But USAFE's Quinn told Stars and Stripes that the Xbox Live service, which enables online play, convinced him to buy the consoles for the stations. Each base is buying its own selection of titles for the consoles.

For years, the military has trained grunts using video games. And recently, the Army put together a sophisticated series of simulated missions designed to recruit new soldiers. That game, America's Army, has attracted more than 1.8 million registered users.

Lt. Col. Casey Wardynski, who oversaw development of America's Army, sees the Xbox gaming centers as more than just the digital equivalent of comfort food for teenage airmen. The games could be used to build skills, too -- after all, a recent study showed that gaming boosts visual perception.

"It seems perfectly logical, given what this generation does," Wardynski said. "Airmen can hang out in their barracks, or they can partake of German beer. Given the alternatives, this may not be a bad choice at all."

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1) What do you mean by "our money" ?
2) What's your point, yet again ?

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Suffering from ads?

What I want to know is what games they are playing?

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He's just in a pissy mood because LTEC wouldn't make him a cake.

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hi ,

they get discounts in germany at all the games sold true aafes , .....

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If they've got any sense, they'll be playing Halo. Not like there's much else on the X-Box worth playing.

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What they need is exotic dancer nights. And because there are women too, few male dancers as well. Put them in different hangars. Every week, I suggest it should be wednesday. Nice break in the middle of the week. Who cares about xbox when you can see live performance arts.

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What they need is exotic dancer nights. And because there are women too, few male dancers as well. Put them in different hangars. Every week, I suggest it should be wednesday. Nice break in the middle of the week. Who cares about xbox when you can see live performance arts.



hi ,

USO has problems with funds , ......


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Can't be that expensive! But what's the point with settling to B-class dancers.. no point. What they need is serious A-class entertainment, not some sales bin performing.

Nah, still beats the games!

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"our money" panag? are you American?

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they do this for the korean military too...

well, not xboxes, but they do have pc bangs for them...

i fail to see how this is that wasteful, troops need their r&r...

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kids in the military have it so easy.

all we had in the navy was a couple of crappy arcade games that were horribly out of date on our ship (and they cost money too- the money goes to MWR).

Although on my last cruise the kids had a playstation in our storeroom with an old crapy tv. I say kids because they were like 18 and i was 25

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Dissident, arcade games? LUXURY! You guys in US have it so easy. All I had for entertainment was... nothing.
We had a tv, but there was something wrong with the antenna or cable, and we weren't allowed to fix it ourselves and no one came to fix it. We had VCR on it, but it ate the first tape we put in.

But we had coffee... when we had free time that is.
The only way I like it!

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Besides, you should be occupied enough to make your bunk perfect, your 'closet' perfect, and you can always clean. There is always SOME dirt somewhere, and if not, you can clean the floors anyway. You can always practice your turns left and right and standing in attention and at ease. It is never too perfect. Or you can work out, do push ups and sit ups if you don't have a gym near.

Listen, all entertainment soldiers need is playing cards. And NO MONEY INVOLVED! Chips or any kind of other things that symbolizes money, like matches should be not allowed .

Of course if it's war time, then there should be lots of entertainment.

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US military men in europe have a great time... all they do is hit the town every night and they come back with a cheap italian suits and a benz or bmw for $15K shipped to the US on a military transport

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Just judging from how you said that, I take it your not impressed....


Well, heres a thought, If it keeps our soldiers in good moral than whats wrong with it?

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he thinks they should be locked up in cages until it's time for them to kill people

It's good to do these things to make things. It helps keep retention up and maintain an all volunteer force.

In the coming years the military will struggle to maintain volunteer numbers. The U.S. has moved away from a military culture (except for G.W. ). Most kids now days are too fat for the military anyways. And the others are lazy and umotivated and/or have no discipline. In 10 years I predict the U.S. will have a very tough time maintaing the numbers we have now. But with any luck we won't need such a large military

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Whats the issue here? A mere $200,000 spent on entertaining and maintaining morale ?? Given the expense of equipment and munitions runs into the millions and billions, this seems like a paltry sum to help maintain the military's biggest asset

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yes that is a very small amount.


I'm appalled at how much cruise missiles cost. That initial attack that was supposed to kill Saddam Hussein costed like $30 million dollars! And it didn't even kill anyone important!

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Dissident, I said they can play cards!



Of course I didn't mention, that trainers had their own mess hall, and once I gain the privilidges to use it, we had playstation, lots of games, tv that had the channels working (in the same building, funny), VCR that didn't eat tapes and LOTS of videos, the shortest route to go for the smoking area, comfortable chairs and sofa, coffee machine and fridge too, microwave and toaster. Naturally privates also cleaned and mopped that place too. Ahh, good times... *tear*

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Oh I almost forgot, coke machine (you know where you put money, push button and get coke can) right next to us, DOOR you couldn't open before knocking and couldn't bring any small problems because we were taking a break so you piss us, it's running time. That place was supposed to be our working area, to prepare coming lectures and classes plus plan coming combat training etc.. but it as a good place to hang out too. Good times... *tear* I LOVE MESS HALLS!

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Just judging from how you said that, I take it your not impressed....


Well, heres a thought, If it keeps our soldiers in good moral than whats wrong with it?



hi ,

that was not supposed to be the top line , the server went banana , so it was to late to fix it , ....

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