06-08-2003 00:29									#1
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Hi. I'm writing a science fiction book. It;s in Russian only, but i will translate it, when finished. Url - http://sitemaker.ru/forum/showthrea...=&threadid=3003 .

	06-08-2003 00:49									#2
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Do you actually have a publisher? Or are you writing as a hobby?

	06-08-2003 01:23									#3
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And how will you feel if you get it published, and people just steal a copy off the net and you don't get any money for your hard work?

Just asking

	06-08-2003 01:24									#4
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I'd like to read it. Will you post again when it's in english?

	06-08-2003 01:29									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Ming And how will you feel if you get it published, and people just steal a copy off the net and you don't get any money for your hard work?

I'll feel OK. I understand those who dont want to pay for something that can be obtained for a free. You can not understand it, i suppose. Just visit USSR and look at the locals.

Anyway, thank you for good wishes. I hope it will be published.

	06-08-2003 01:44									#6
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1. USSR no longer exists
2. I do strongly believe that you are never finishing that. I have written a number of stories myself, and know all too well it's hard... and you don't look like to me like someone who can finish it, though good luck .

	06-08-2003 01:51									#7
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Hi. I translated the begining of the book. It took me 5 mins to translate the first halfpage and my translation is full of grammar and spelling misstakes. Pls correct'em if you want. No, translating this is too hard for me. Maybe later

quote: "Hi friends, look at this" said nine years-old boy waving book entitled "Intresting Universe". Bored boys surrounded Dima with his book and looked in his book, that already laid on the floor. Somebody tried to read the but after reading the word "theory" everybody realized that just looking at the pictures will be funier. In the middle of the book they saw large Picture entitled "Our galaxy". Children looked at the stars in delight and argued friendly. "Is it inhabited star?", "Where will humanity be after two centures?" "Being patriot of solar system, is it possible?". Almost everybody of them felt desire to became astronauts. (Not surprising, taking into account, that they desired to be sportsmen looking football, they desired to became soliders and scientists looking news, and secretly wanted to be a wearing designers looking at playing girls). Vitaly sneezed, and few stars disappeared from the map. Just earth dust... Dima felt strange feeling of deprivation. He felt the same later, when his friends and relatives die. Pete brought a ball and boys left the book. Dima returned the book to home, but the icy feeling of deprivation remained, while he played football.

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Moderator?

(you know what I mean)

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quote: Originally posted by Eli Moderator? (you know what I mean)

Yes. Why not? Moderator with banning rights.

	06-08-2003 02:06									#10
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How long is this story going to go for?

quote: I understand those who dont want to pay for something that can be obtained for a free. You can not understand it, i suppose. Just visit USSR and look at the locals.

Them people been under communism for too long, eh?

	06-08-2003 02:12									#11
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hi ,

good think Muxec

good luck

have a great day

	06-08-2003 03:04									#12
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quote: Originally posted by muxec I'll feel OK. I understand those who dont want to pay for something that can be obtained for a free. You can not understand it, i suppose. Just visit USSR and look at the locals.

But you're just saying that because to answer truely would show how much of a hypocrit you really are.
That's it ok to steal from others, but not from you...

At least you didn't lie when I asked the same question about your mother crafts... but then again, you just stopped posting in that thread without answering...



If the only way you had to feed your family was to sell your book, you would be the first person in line to whine about it...

	06-08-2003 03:37									#13
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I recommend leaving translation to professionals.

secretly wanted to be a wearing designers looking at playing girls

Are you saying they want to be clothing designers? Meh. I guess your book captures the Russian experience better than I could.

If the only way you had to feed your family was to sell your book, you would be the first person in line to whine about it...

LOL. Ming, no one becomes an author in order to feed families. Self-amusement is the currency most word artists are paid in.

	06-08-2003 08:56									#14
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If the only way you had to feed your family was to sell your book, you'd be in big trouble because it ain't likely that's gonna happen.

	06-08-2003 18:50									#15
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StLeo, i know that my English is bad, and it's much worse when i'm translating myself. I meant clothing designer, but i translted this fragment using eDictionary and edited it a bit.

As you said, i'm writing this book for myself, to express my feelings/ But if i find a publisher that pay for it i'll gladly sell the book

Strange thing... Solver did not say that the book is 100% pure bastardity.

	06-08-2003 19:23									#16
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hi ,

well it might be that the publisher wants you to pay first a small piece , .....

by the way , the wizo and some other organisations do help to promote and publish , but be aware , they ask a lot , ......

the best and cheapest to print and to get the most money from seems to be in France for now , ......

have a nice day

	06-08-2003 23:23									#17
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I hate to say it, but it looks OK . One tip would be to learn Russian punctuation rules.

quote: -Австралийские учённые провели удачные опыты по телепортации материи. Подробности эксперимента держаться в тайне, но известно, что учёным удалось переместить объект массой в несколько микрограмм на расстояние около полукилометра со скоростью выше световой. Напомним, что подобные эксперименты проводились и ранее, но до сегодняшнего дня не удавалось переместить объекты превышающие по размеру электрон. Учёные верят, что близок тот день, когда нога человека ступит на поверхность планеты вне солнечной системы.

Sorry, that one is screwed. Normal matter transportation doesn't mean you can transport humans... you better changed that to обнаружили способ откытия черных дыр, с помощью которых можно преодолевать огромные расстояния, or something.

quote: -Эх вы... Я лингвистом хочу быть. Буду поступать на лингвиста. У меня с английским хорошо, но останавливаться на достигнутом не хочу.

The guy's 18... if all he knows then is some English, him for a linguist... hmm. Someone who's a skilled linguist would know at least 4 languages by that age.

quote: папа юрист.

Жириновский ? Best phrase so far .

quote: Все как-то разом притихли и стали смотреть на гладь озера, на пустеющий противоположный берег озера.

That's some beautiful scenery in that sentence and the previous one, but the word противоположный is far from beautiful or good sounding .

	07-08-2003 08:09									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Ming And how will you feel if you get it published, and people just steal a copy off the net and you don't get any money for your hard work? Just asking

But Ming, most people don't pirate books like they do with computer software or music.

You don't see Stephen King or Ben Bova complaining about people downloading their books, unlike the BSA or the RIAA.

This simply is a social problem, not a technological one.

	07-08-2003 21:58									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Ming But you're just saying that because to answer truely would show how much of a hypocrit you really are. That's it ok to steal from others, but not from you... At least you didn't lie when I asked the same question about your mother crafts... but then again, you just stopped posting in that thread without answering... If the only way you had to feed your family was to sell your book, you would be the first person in line to whine about it...

There was no right answer, was there?

	07-08-2003 22:14									#20
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No there is no right answer for him.

He is constantly harping on how it's ok to steal software.
That since they are poor in his country, it's OK to steal.
But I'm sure if it cut into his ability to feed his family, he would be the biggest whiner of all.

It's not like people need to steal music or games to survive... so all he is really saying is that he is selfish greedy little thief... who is willing to steal just so he can add some new toy to his collection. If he tried that in a store, he would probably get caught and sent to jail... but since the odds of doing it on line and getting caught are slim to none, it seems to make it OK for him. What a hypocrit... It's more an issue of getting caught vs being right or wrong.

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You're sure?

	07-08-2003 22:51									#22
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Yep...

I don't really care if people want to do it or not. I just get sick of hearing people justify it, or say it's OK.

Again... would you go into a store and steal it? The answer is probably NO, because it's easier to get caught.

Theft is theft... if you want to do it, fine... just don't try to justify it or say it's morally ok.

	07-08-2003 23:03									#23
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Ming, you are wrong a little. If you had read my PM you would understand this. I said, that my mentality disallows me to waste money on something that can be obtained for a free. If i was well paid worker, it would be easier for me to buy legal, than to risk.

Ming, your American culture (or at least the part of culture that we see) is too polar. From your kidish movies (except south park) to your adult songs and books you are too polar. Jerry is good, Tom is bad. Harry is good, Voldemort is evil. Cop is good gang member is evil. I can see it (less but still remains) in Mark Twain books.
There is no such a polarity in Russian movies, cartoons, books. I suggest that you read Kivinov. Kivnov is genious Russian writer. He wriyes books, where criminals can be better than cops. Check out soviet cartoons (i can give you ed2k links to translted sovet kids movies). Look at the books, Dostoyevski did not write that Raskolnikov is good or evil.

I just tell you, that Bill Gates who have 100 G$ is not more good or evil, than poor Vietnamese man who pirate his WinXP (Ok if Bill pays me 1 M$ he is good ). I just want to tell you, that Sharon is not much good (ore more evil) than Arafat. I just want to say, that laws were made by ordinary people, who also are affected by love and greed, pain and fear. I just want to tell you, that most of Americans can not see nothing beyond their own nose, and it's one of the reasons of Sept.-11.

Can you get my point or no?

DaShi, i'll post you PM soon, dont forget to check your incoMING

	07-08-2003 23:09									#24
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quote: Theft is theft...

If i remember correctly in 4th PM after my latest restriction you added "except" to this.

	07-08-2003 23:09									#25
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Muxec: when you live in a society the rules that have been set must be obeyed or changed before those actions can take place without being labled by the mass and not just by your own personal morals and agendas. By you not excepting responsibilty for your own action you have removed yourself from the society and will be looked down upon by that society as being bad. This is fact.

Yet, I guess it doesn't matter to you. Since, in Russia, there really is no society, merely a ruination and shinning example of the failure of commuisim.

I can understand why you would remove yourself from said "society", but Ming is 100% on this. When it is YOUR goods or well-being that is being stolen from you the tables will be turned and you will be forced back into this society to persecute those who were once just like you.

	07-08-2003 23:14									#26
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Ming - a little clarification about morality issues. While piracy is morally wrong, people who pirate stuff probably don't think so. I'm judging by the fact that, well, they do it, so they agree that it's morally wrong, but not enough, or something.
I have talked to you about that, and agree that you're right... heh... I can't justify piracy.

It's not all about getting caught, though. Yes, pirating software has near-zero risk of being caught. But, if I could steal something from a store guaranteed I wouldn't be caught, I still wouldn't steal from it.

It's also a thing about childhood in some cases. When I grew up, there wasn't software to be stolen... I wasn't taught to respect intellectual property as I was taught to respect material property. Although, I do now respect intellectual property, primarily because I have quite some of that myself.

	07-08-2003 23:17									#27
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quote: Yet, I guess it doesn't matter to you. Since, in Russia, there really is no society, merely a ruination and shinning example of the failure of commuisim.

There's an excellent phrase concerning this matter. Строгость Российских законов компенсируется неоюязательностью их выполнения - strictness of Russian laws is compensated by their optional obeying, that's for a rough translation.

	07-08-2003 23:18									#28
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quote: Originally posted by muxec Ming, you are wrong a little. If you had read my PM you would understand this. I said, that my mentality disallows me to waste money on something that can be obtained for a free. If i was well paid worker, it would be easier for me to buy legal, than to risk.

No... I totally understand what you keep saying.

You are saying that your mentality thinks it's OK to steal.

You may say crap like "disallows me to waste money on something that can be obtained for free"... But there is a big difference in something that is truely free... and something that you are stealing.

Again... you bring up the "well paid worker" or that you are poor stuff as an excuse... that some how, that makes it OK. It's still THEFT. And it is wrong. If you want to do it... fine... but no "I'm not a well paid worker" or my country is different excuses...

You have never said what you do is wrong. You have always walked around this simple issue by making excuses and rationalizations...

Just state you know it's wrong, and that you just don't care.

Stop being a hypocrit by defending your theft. Just admit what you are.

	07-08-2003 23:25									#29
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I ask all you to stop discussing this. And note, that i did not start discussing copyright.

Finaly i want to qoute my conversation with one of the lead creators of Space Rangers (PC Game), the best computer game ever.

quote: -I play warez version of Space Rangers -And we used warez 3D Studio Max to create the game -What'd you say if i copy warez version for all my friends? -I'd say that it's OK

And your greedy developers will never create game better than Space Rangers, or Paradise Cracked. Nor your Sid Meyer nor your ****ing Microsoft games specialists.

Offtopic: DaShi, dont forget to check your PMs

	07-08-2003 23:43									#30
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1. Which game is the best is merely a matter of opinion.
2. I don't trust in programmers who don't care if you pirate they products. It means that they don't want the money from those...