07-08-2003 22:18									#91
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Any tax increase of any kind has to be approved by a supermajority,

No wonder the place is a mess.

	07-08-2003 22:20									#92
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I'm guessing Arnold already has re RE-ELECTION slogan all worked out: "Vote for me. I'll be back."

	07-08-2003 22:21									#93
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no it's "vote for me if you want to live"

	07-08-2003 22:23									#94
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I hope it's

"It's Not A Tumor!"

	07-08-2003 22:23									#95
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Peter Ueberroth, former Baseball Commish and fomer US Olympic President, may also run from the Republican side. He doesn't seem to have a bad resume for this job at all. He turned around the '84 LA Olympics, earning him "Time's Man of the Year" and headed "Rebuild LA", designed to rebuild economically depressed areas of Los Angeles.

Should be interesting.

	07-08-2003 22:26									#96
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It's fast become the biggest joke in politics. Schwarzy, Coleman, Huffington and Flynt all in the same race...and there's word that Gallagher and D.L. Hughley will get in on the action!

I can't think of any better evidence of pure democracy being equivalent to mob rule.

	07-08-2003 22:31									#97
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I think its a great thing .

No parties controlling the electoral process. Whoever wants to run can run. This is the best chance for third parties to show their stuff.

In every election you have your crazies running anyway, usually they are (one of) the Socialist parties. Why should this election be any different?

	07-08-2003 22:34									#98
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you call it mob rule. I call it democracy.

Are you saying only lefties or right wingers should run?

I think it's great you have people running who don't fit into the 2 main ideologies or political parties.

	07-08-2003 23:05									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove If Arnold becomes California's governor there won't be a "Terminator 4"!

NNNNOOOOOOO!!!!!!! **collapses into heap of quivering protoplasm**

	08-08-2003 07:32									#100
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Hmm, an Austrian artist running for a goverment position in a different country..., that rings a bell but I just can't put my finger on it..

	08-08-2003 07:41									#101
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Did anyone notice that Gray Davis' own Lt. Governor is running against him?

	08-08-2003 08:57									#102
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quote: Originally posted by alva Hmm, an Austrian artist running for a goverment position in a different country..., that rings a bell but I just can't put my finger on it..

I think the term you are looking for is Godwin's Law.

	08-08-2003 09:09									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Did anyone notice that Gray Davis' own Lt. Governor is running against him?

Um, no he isn't.

Davis isn't on the ballot--he can't be, because a successful recall would end his governorship. So nobody's running against Davis, he's not running.

Bustamante isn't running out of disloyalty to Davis or anything, he's running as insurance to keep the governorship Democratic. Should the recall succeed, the Dems do need a viable choice for a replacement. Bustamante is, however, campaigning against the recall.

	08-08-2003 09:11									#104
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Oh, come on... Bustamante is basically running against Davis. Yeah, he's saying vote no on the recall like a good Democrat, but he knows Davis will get the snot kicked out of him and knows that he's in good position to win the damned thing. He has no loyalty to Davis, and I bet his 'campaign' against the recall will be lip service.

	08-08-2003 09:13									#105
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For all intents and purposes they are all "running" against him.

Part of what will drive people to kick his ass out of office is if they have an alternative. Bustamante is not an alternative, he's seen in the same light as Davis, just as many people associated Al Gore with Clinton.

	08-08-2003 09:14									#106
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quote: Part of what will drive people to kick his ass out of office is if they have an alternative

Bingo. Bustamante on the ballot may cause MORE people to vote to recall Davis.

	08-08-2003 09:23									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Part of what will drive people to kick his ass out of office is if they have an alternative. Bustamante is not an alternative, he's seen in the same light as Davis, just as many people associated Al Gore with Clinton.

quote: Bingo. Bustamante on the ballot may cause MORE people to vote to recall Davis.

Which is it, fellas?

Ted, Bustamante has consistently enjoyed higher poll numbers in the race than even Arnie. He was leading the pack among possible replacements, so saying people view him the same as Davis is absurd.

	08-08-2003 09:24									#108
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quote: Which is it, fellas?

I know you like to ignore parts of posts that don't back your point, but can you see which part I quoted? Thanks .

	08-08-2003 09:26									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Which is it, fellas? I know you like to ignore parts of posts that don't back your point, but can you see which part I quoted? Thanks .

What do you mean? Ted asserted that more people would be inclined to back the recall with a credible alternative, but Bustamante isn't it. You then say more people will back the recall because Bustamante is in the race. How is that not a conflict?

	08-08-2003 09:27									#110
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AGAIN:

quote: but can you see which part I quoted

Did I ever say I thought the rest of his post was correct? I was only commented on the quote.

	08-08-2003 09:27									#111
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What Imran is saying is that having him on the ballot will cause more people to vote for a recall knowing they can vote for someone else OTHER than Bustamante.

And Arnold just entered the race YESTERDAY. So we'll see where your polls go from here.

	08-08-2003 09:29									#112
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No, Ted, I said I agreed that credible alternatives will lead the charge to kick Davis out of office.

I think Bustamante is a credible alternative.

	08-08-2003 09:33									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui AGAIN: quote: but can you see which part I quoted Did I ever say I thought the rest of his post was correct? I was only commented on the quote.

I wasn't saying you were agreeing with him on the rest of his quote, Imrankins...just that they conflicted.

quote: What Imran is saying is that having him on the ballot will cause more people to vote for a recall knowing they can vote for someone else OTHER than Bustamante.

That doesn't make any sense, Ted. Why would having Bustamante being on the ballot make more people vote for the recall to vote for someone else? If they're poltically opposed to Bustamante, they're pretty certain to be people who are voting for the recall anyway!

quote: And Arnold just entered the race YESTERDAY. So we'll see where your polls go from here.

But polls have been accounting for Arnie being in the race already, and Arnie was losing to Bustamante as late as July in these polls. Bustamante just entered too, so the point is moot!

	08-08-2003 09:35									#114
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quote: just that they conflicted.

Um... and? You see many people going around saying... heheh... you are Republicans and you conflicted? What was your point?

I guess I'll be sure to laugh when you and Mr Fun conflict on points .

	08-08-2003 09:36									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: just that they conflicted. Um... and? You see many people going around saying... heheh... you are Republicans and you conflicted. What was your point?

Look, your "Bingo" implied that you thought that Ted was spot-on. I just found it amusing you would say "Bingo" and then provide a conflicting opinion, that's all. Really, you harp on petty things, don't you?

	08-08-2003 09:38									#116
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And like I SAID. I said Bingo to the QUOTE!

quote: you harp on petty things, don't you?

When the person is making a retarded point, then yes, I do .

	08-08-2003 09:39									#117
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quote: That doesn't make any sense, Ted. Why would having Bustamante being on the ballot make more people vote for the recall to vote for someone else? If they're poltically opposed to Bustamante, they're pretty certain to be people who are voting for the recall anyway!

Yeah it does. If I know his boy is on the ballot I'm going to be even more motivated for someone else to make sure his boy doesn't have a chance to win.

quote: But polls have been accounting for Arnie being in the race already, and Arnie was losing to Bustamante as late as July in these polls. Bustamante just entered too, so the point is moot!

No it's not. Bustamante is a career politician. That he'd run is a likely event. People weren't sure what Arnold's intentions were, but now that they know he's serious, you'll see that poll turn around. Not to mention he has more money and visibility than the rest of these yokels.

But Arnold was the one who pushed Proposition 49 to victory.

	08-08-2003 09:45									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Yeah it does. If I know his boy is on the ballot I'm going to be even more motivated for someone else to make sure his boy doesn't have a chance to win.

Where is your back up for Bustamante being "his boy?" Davis didn't choose him, Bustamante was independently elected. He also enjoys significantly higher approval ratings than Davis does.

quote: No it's not. Bustamante is a career politician. That he'd run is a likely event. People weren't sure what Arnold's intentions were, but now that they know he's serious, you'll see that poll turn around. Not to mention he has more money and visibility than the rest of these yokels.

First, Bustamante's intentions weren't obvious, as he had previously stated he wouldn't run. Second, Arnold does NOT have more money, as MtG has pointed out to you several times in the other thread, but you keep ignoring: The CA state GOP is practically bankrupt, while the Dems are awash in cash. They outstrip the GOP in funds so bad it isn't funny. Arnie's private cash isn't going to help him against their warchest.

quote: But Arnold was the one who pushed Proposition 49 to victory.

Oooh, woop-de-doo! So? Sorry, but his supporting an After-School proposition that cost the state $400 million isn't going to have much political clout in a year when the predominant issue is a massive budget deficit.

	08-08-2003 09:54									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Where is your back up for Bustamante being "his boy?" Davis didn't choose him, Bustamante was independently elected. He also enjoys significantly higher approval ratings than Davis does.

Doesn't matter. He's in the same party, and part of the same dumbass administration that bankrupted the state. He's the number 2 guy in charge.

quote: First, Bustamante's intentions weren't obvious, as he had previously stated he wouldn't run. Second, Arnold does NOT have more money, as MtG has pointed out to you several times in the other thread, but you keep ignoring: The CA state GOP is practically bankrupt, while the Dems are awash in cash. They outstrip the GOP in funds so bad it isn't funny. Arnie's private cash isn't going to help him against their warchest.

Show me the exact numbers. Until then, the point is "moot" in your words. However, my opinion is more correct than yours so I'm right and you're wrong.

quote: Oooh, woop-de-doo! So? Sorry, but his supporting an After-School proposition that cost the state $400 million isn't going to have much political clout in a year when the predominant issue is a massive budget deficit.

The point is that people voted for the Proposition largely because Arnold backed it. And we ALL KNOW who the real dumbass is who wasted all those billions on stupid sh1t like taking it up the ass from out of state energy companies.

	08-08-2003 10:07									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Doesn't matter. He's in the same party, and part of the same dumbass administration that bankrupted the state. He's the number 2 guy in charge.

Exactly, he's a Democrat. California is a solidly Democratic state, Ted. Two Democratic Senators, a Democratic house contigent and the Democrats control the state legislature. The Republicans have virtually no political clout in the state, and Democrats are going to come out in force, either to oppose the recall or to ensure the governorship remains Democratic. Either way, this will be a huge plus for Bustamante. He also will get a natural draw on Hispanic voters, which is a pretty significant part of the California electorate. In fact, without winning at least a bare majority of the Hispanic vote, I'd say a Republican doesn't stand a chance of winning a statewide election in California these days.

quote: Show me the exact numbers. Until then, the point is "moot" in your words. However, my opinion is more correct than yours so I'm right and you're wrong.

No, you're wrong. Nyah.

quote: The point is that people voted for the Proposition largely because Arnold backed it. And we ALL KNOW who the real dumbass is who wasted all those billions on stupid sh1t like taking it up the ass from out of state energy companies.

It doesn't matter, though, because nobody in CA is going to give a **** about Proposition 49, which is small potatoes next to the state's other issues and problems.

As for the energy problems, just watch the Dems splash Enron's name all over as the culprit for state woes, and then make the handy tie of the current Republican administration to Enron's fallen leaders. That will certainly entice CA voters to go for the GOP, suuuuuure!