08-08-2003 18:53									#61
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do people here realize that god is beyond your understanding... a... thing that is the most powerful (that don't even describe it cause there's no word in english to even come close to describing god) thing in existance and non-existance...

if anyone here encountered god, if your head didn't explode trying to fathom whatever was before you, you'd definently drop to your knees and be his zombie-like *****...

	08-08-2003 18:59									#62
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"I thought God did kill the Satan once ?"

How do you kill an angel?

"The Serpent wasn't Satan."

Ok then, what was the serpent? Just some random snake?

	08-08-2003 19:01									#63
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God isn't beyond my understanding, Albert...

	08-08-2003 19:05									#64
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Jack the bodiless? oh my... jack the bodiless! we've had god in our midst all this time!

	08-08-2003 19:05									#65
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quote: "The Serpent wasn't Satan." Ok then, what was the serpent? Just some random snake?

From the context, it appears that the Serpent was the "Adam of snakes", the prototype snake.

Note that God punishes the Serpent by making it crawl on its belly forevermore. And, of course, snakes still do. This makes no sense if Satan was disguised as a snake (why punish snakes for that?), but makes sense if all snakes are descended from the cursed one.

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Jack the bodiless? oh my... jack the bodiless! we've had god in our midst all this time!

Well, that isn't quite what I meant, but I'll take any tithes you can spare.

	08-08-2003 19:39									#67
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quote: would you be humble in front of satan

Apples and oranges—but note it is considered foolish to rail against the devil

quote: BTW, there is no "Satan" in Genesis. He was invented later. The Serpent wasn't Satan.

Half true; he wasn't named in Genesis. Kinda like the way a serial killer or rapist will eventually pick up a nickname (eg, Boston Strangler), Satan (which means "opponent" IIRC) is an appellation applied later.

quote: They're really good at making this stuff sound attractive i must admit, but then again this is supposed to be by a demon whose soul purpose is to lure you to damnation

Well, "distract you from salvation already within reach" is a better description.

	08-08-2003 19:45									#68
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You pose an interesting question, Sava. I'll have a go at it.

First of all, before I met God, I would go before Christ to be judged. This would be a time of grief, certainly, but also a time of joy. Meeting God would not be a matter of groveling and bowing. First of all, if I were able to stand in the presence of God, that means I lived as perfect a life as possible. I would be the son of a Father who has been watching me struggle and grow throughout my short lifetime, and who is welcoming me home. Secondly, if I had lived as perfect a life as possible, I would be joint-heirs with Christ, meaning, I would inherit all that the Father possesses.

	08-08-2003 20:12									#69
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quote: Half true; he wasn't named in Genesis. Kinda like the way a serial killer or rapist will eventually pick up a nickname (eg, Boston Strangler), Satan (which means "opponent" IIRC) is an appellation applied later.

The notion that "the Serpent" was actually Satan occurs MUCH later: the New Testament IIRC. The whole "eternal battle between God and Satan" concept comes from Revelation. Before that, Satan was God's tester: a concept similar to the modern "Devil's advocate".

But the Serpent apparently acted alone. The Biblical God's punishments are generally similar to the Mafia "termination with extreme prejudice": a form of assassination which involves also killing numerous innocent bystanders to show how REALLY angry you are. But if the Serpent was Satan, then God apparently botched the "hit" completely, affecting only the totally innocent snakes...

Unless you're arguing that the Serpent was really Satan because the New Testament says so? I'm more interested in what the original authors meant. Why should I care what the NT says about it? I'm an atheist.

	09-08-2003 17:13									#70
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idiot more like it

	09-08-2003 18:28									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I don't get it that Mr. Nice Guy. If God is Supreme, why does God not destroy Satan? You know... cancel his existence? Either God has no power over Satan, or he allows him to exist? Christians never answer that one. Anyone?

People who destroy people are evil. or didn't you know that? If God isn't evil, then God won't destroy Satan.

"The Onion" did a nice article on God's answer to people who kill in God's name. You should go look it up if it's still available.

	09-08-2003 18:34									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html

Interesting. They're a lot like Libertarians. I wonder if there is a link?

	09-08-2003 20:19									#73
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God.

Now, if God is this ******* Jack Chick makes of him in his Comics,
who rewards People who themselves have been *******s in Life, but short before Dead trust in Christ and try to convert other people,
but punishes those who have tried their whole life to make the World a better place for other people, but haven´t actively tried to convert anyone,
I´d be glad to go to hell, because this God is in no way a God I want to serve
See also this Comic from Chick:
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0041/0041_01.asp

But on the other hand if he is some kind of nice being who really cares for humans, I would readily kneel for him.

	09-08-2003 20:24									#74
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My reaction upon meeting God would be to throw myself at his feet and worship with all my heart...praying that he would let me exist in His presence. Any request of his would instantly become my will. I have absolute and unquestioning faith.

	09-08-2003 21:22									#75
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I am humble before Ming.

	09-08-2003 21:30									#76
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I would be humble before Cher upon meeting her, but to God?

maybe . . . . . . .

	09-08-2003 23:46									#77
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Well, my arms are too short to box with God.

	09-08-2003 23:56									#78
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who was the first to say that, obiwan?

	10-08-2003 00:25									#79
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Humble before God? probalby not. respectful, yes, but not humble. As a being of free will, I owe him no humbleness.

	10-08-2003 01:54									#80
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quote: Yes we all have freewill, and the evils that mankind should not be blamed on God. He expects us to do what is right, but does not forces us to do right. If we choise to do what ever we want and some evil results we have no one to blame but ourselves.

There is no freewill...
If you assume god exists, than you believe in this all powerfull being, knowing everything in advance, who made you, your enviroment and so on. He designed where your mind is going. Foolish to believe in a god and freewill at the same time...

	10-08-2003 02:00									#81
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Daniel you are not getting it. I can choose right now wether or not I can send my self straight to Mingapulco right? I have a choice between right and wrong and G-d is not controlling what I do.

Sorry for the threadjack though. Yes I would do what ever G-d told me and bow down before him

	10-08-2003 02:04									#82
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God knows everything in advance. He would know in advance if you would choose right now to go to mingapulco. Maybe a little change here and there while he created you would have changed your "choice" ...