07-08-2003 18:26									#1
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	07-08-2003 18:30									#2
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Guess I should actually open the save and see where we are at...

	07-08-2003 22:20									#3
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I wonder how many Riders will be left alive.......

	07-08-2003 22:43									#4
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Good question Ghengis, I don't know the answer. But I suspect that for every lost unit Gs will lose at least 1 and fro every 8 they lose on average 9. I knew it was risky being at that hill. But the only force that can attack the main stack are from new madrid and I suspect they don't have enough along to do it. On the other hand if boats arive with 10 more they might try it, but it still be a risk. The pillage forces on mountain are only vulnerable to the 6 knight stack, but the one on the hill most likely will be defeated but will have a chance with river bonus of giving us a Ga, he is on defense at 5.25.
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	08-08-2003 16:00									#5
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I really don't have any suggestions on what to do with them without knowing how many will be left. If they leave the lower stack there may be a way to move them south and be able to threaten two different cities which I hope will be possible.

	09-08-2003 02:18									#6
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I know we don't know how many if any of the riders will be left next turn, but if we do have a significant force left here are the possible paths. The southern routes will put us in position to defvestate and eliminate the Southern cities.
The north route(not my preference) immediatly shakes things up in the north.
Why can't I post pictures.
Since the forum does allow attachments apparently, the Path options are
1) sw,w ends on Mountain 2e of salmalanca
2)s,s(ends on hill w,nw of Barcelona),my preference
3)s,sw,s(ends on desert road(too risky in my opinion)), but very tempting since EVERY souther city within range from rider from this point.
I have map of this but can't post attachment.

My current preference is #2, then the following turn we either take barcelona, or more likely pillage road on hill e of barcelona and send rest of force sw onto road and beyond. This way with hill pillaged we are free to roam on road and spain MUST concede these cities including salamanca or split forces immediately to save this city(the rest are dead no matter what).
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	09-08-2003 02:41									#7
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Aggie, Apoly has an upload option at the top of the screen for members to upload 20 megs of pictures and then you just copy the address into your post.

	09-08-2003 03:30									#8
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Here isn the location of the Map and routes. If ya'll see any other options just yell.

Aggie

EDITED by GhengisFarb - Aggie, next time use the letters "img" instead of "url".

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 09-08-2003 at 07:30

	09-08-2003 04:11									#9
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Excellent. The green path will allow us to take either Barcelona or Valencia, maybe both!

We NEED a city down there to heal units in (and Barcelona has a harbor, which means we would be able to rush bye Riders down there!)

	09-08-2003 05:03									#10
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leaving our riders in a desert tile???

and especially since we don't know if GS dropped units this turn. That's very very risky.

	09-08-2003 06:14									#11
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If we do the blue route then we can still attack Valencia or Barcelona.

	09-08-2003 06:33									#12
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Your right. I keep forgeting that these roads are unclaimed. Blue would be the best option.

	09-08-2003 07:33									#13
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If we go green we can attack FOUR DIFFERENT CITIES.

Valencia, Barcelona, Merida, and/or Salamanca.

	09-08-2003 08:29									#14
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Thanks Ghengis for the tips. Now to the plan. Another thing to keep in mind is GS reaction to all this. This is where the north route seems useful(though not my favorite). From there we can get to the southern road in 1 turn also but, and this is the key, we can draw GS north. Then we head south and get all the cities anyway. But the advanatge is also its drawback. Part of our goal is to draw off GS from ND area, so this could backfire. I think nd is a matter of a few turns from winning decisively and we need to buy them time. This is why I favor the southern routes. But just for the record I wanted to mention the advantage of the north. I have even considered splitting our forces between the green and blue option, but really see no gain from this except to present manageable targets for GS, which is not a good thing.
Aggie

Edited to change the Red to green in last sentence.

	09-08-2003 18:45									#15
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So many good options.

What will be RP/GS's reaction if we go blue/green ?

RP's turn .. Gift Barcelona & even perhaps Valencia ??

GS cant move pikes into Barcelona, And they cant move Knights into Valencia. (From Sirroco)

Valencia should be a win for us. And if we decide to attack Barcelona, we will be facing fortified knights only.


Lots of decisions ...

	09-08-2003 19:25									#16
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I don't think RP will gift GS any more cities. They know that would bring Lego into the fray.

	11-08-2003 01:11									#17
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We have the save:

http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Pa...yptians90AD.SAV

ND said they didn't do anything this turn; just consolidated.

Here's a pic (we lost one rider, but no GA )

	11-08-2003 01:12									#18
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Ok, I've seen the save and am VERY happy with what I see. We have unfortunately lost 1 rider, but have delayed the GS troops yet another turn(Please inform ND of this so they now they are 2 turns away. Also they are moving knights out of Toledo to force our riders back. Also our main force is intact. Now comes some decisions. I suggest we move the main force due south to the hill w,nw of Barcelona. But send the 1st rider by himself first(not group move). If I was Gs I'd be rushing a knight forces quickly to get to the southern cities ahead of us, and their last movement would put them on the desert square 2w of Barcelona. I would have sent knights to hold the hills also. Also,does anybody think a scout e is possible or necessary(it most likely is suicide). I am courious to see if they are sending troops(mainly pike) to barcelona.
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	11-08-2003 01:14									#19
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Moving the main stack S, SW, then S is by far the most advantageous move on our part it puts FOUR Roleplay cities in attack postion for us next turn and GS can only reach the one south of Pamplona if they have an ROP with Roleplay. The other three are out of range of reinforcements.

Here's what it looks like. The two Riders that went north have only one tile (the jungle nw) to move to if they want to live. The others have a shot at breaking away to ravage the southern four cities on the next turn.

PS: Why was Sir Ghengis one of only two units moved the only direction I said I didn't want to go?

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 11-08-2003 at 01:19

	11-08-2003 01:23									#20
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Actually if we end up in deser we can hit 5 cities there is another south of Valencia. The only worry I have of the desert is that they could attack us on the open desert and if the get 15knights they could pull it off and wipe us out. On the hill is would take about 20 knights to win.
But I am open to convincing.
Aggie

	11-08-2003 01:32									#21
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That would mean they have 25 Knights, and I think we have flushed out their forces by going farther south than they expected.

We've made a lot of mistakes, but not moving to the desert tile could well turn out to be the straw that broke the camel's back for our team.

	11-08-2003 08:37									#22
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After much thought here are the preliminary orders. If I don't get on before we play they should be used(unless there is overwhelming opposition). There were three options for a southward push. The following were the ending locations.
1)Hill w,nw of Barcelona
2)Desert 2 w of Barcelona
3)Hill s,sw,w of where we are now. This was a new option and has lots for it.
I have misgivings because I fear we could have a devestating defeat if attack sucessfully. But it seems the desert tiles are the bold move and history is littered with people who waitied for better opportunities. This is it, if they fail to get us the south is gone. Maybe even barcelona(though that is to be determined). So after much , much considerations I've decided on the desert tile. I doubt gs has the 15 knights to attack and defeat our whole force. But if they do this could be disasterous. What made my decision was this, if the spanish force is not near leon anymore it can get to salamanca, if we delay a turn by going to the hill. If it is near there then the hill will be sufficient since no forces could get there before us, except for the GS force which we could defeat. I really want salamanca, and I want to start our GA Asap.
For the 2 riders on their on, my tendency is to suggest we move SW onto the Mountain. Yes these forces could get attacked and destoyed but the enemy would most likely pay a price they can't afford.
I am still open to debate on these decisions, and suggest we think it well through since this is an extremly key turn. but as of now this is the decision.
Some request. Lets see if ND can give us a screenshot of their area. I really desire to see where that force is. I assume that it moved since they said no fighting occured. Also request a shot of Salamanca from lego or vox. Of course if Gs gets it, it will be out of date, but we know the max it could contain. This city is a real fortress with walls and hills.
Aggie

	11-08-2003 09:03									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Aggie For the 2 riders on their on, my tendency is to suggest we move SW onto the Mountain. Yes these forces could get attacked and destoyed but the enemy would most likely pay a price they can't afford. Aggie

What happened to that RP SOD with the catapults ?
If it has returned to Pampalona, then RP can use them to bring the riders down to 1 hp. GS can kill them with ease.


It seems the desert tile is the way to go. I too are worried about what GS can ship in and attack. But the benefits outway the risks. Plus we need to get into the war.

	11-08-2003 12:36									#24
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My suggestion

Move them S-SW-W

That'll leave them in a hill, out of reach from a coastal stack, and can directly threaten 3 cities next turn.

As for the other 2 riders, moving them SW should be pretty obvious. They most likely be wiped out but will surely take at least one or 2 or more enemy units with them.

	11-08-2003 15:31									#25
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GS had fun destroying our galleys I guess ?

	11-08-2003 16:05									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen My suggestion Move them S-SW-W

No, no no. That's a bad move. Not only does it take two and potentially three cites out of our attack range, but it puts our units ajacent to RP's borders where they are immediately visible. The S, SW, S move places them out of the cultural view area where they will have to be adjacent to a unit to be visible.

It is so blaringly obvious to be the best move. It puts the most distance between us and the GS offensive. It places us in one of the enemy's blind spots. It offers double/triple the number of potential city targets. NO OTHER TILE CAN EVEN COME CLOSE TO ALL THE ADVANTAGES IT OFFERS.

Can you not grasp the psychological impact of us taking 4-5 cities in one turn? The seizing of their Ivory resources and their southern harbor? (which would give us Ivory by the way as the city with Ivory would be connected to our city with a harbor.

	11-08-2003 16:32									#27
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb No, no no. That's a bad move. Not only does it take two and potentially three cites out of our attack range, but it puts our units ajacent to RP's borders where they are immediately visible. The S, SW, S move places them out of the cultural view area where they will have to be adjacent to a unit to be visible.

I am quite sure Barcelona will be able to see our riders.
Which is my biggest concern, because RP lets GS know where we are, and GS attack us with Knights that they ship in by their "Insert name here" harbor city.

We dont get any teraign bonus's at all.

Of course...saying that ... I do agree with GF, and think that the deseet tile is still our best choice. Just hold our breath, that GS cant reach us.

	11-08-2003 16:36									#28
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Yeah, your right it places them right on the corner of Barcalona. Okay, so one of the many advantages is gone but that still leaves all the rest.

	11-08-2003 18:22									#29
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Which stack am I in?

I vote for the desert tile.

	11-08-2003 19:02									#30
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Ghengis, you moved to the mountain because we needed wounded volunteers

Unotho - youre in the main stack.

Anyways... I'd like to play the turn maybe at about 3 PM EDT so were around the 24h mark... if anyone wants to join me in chat then #gow, the password is rmdb as usual.