08-08-2003 03:18									#1
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Great game, bloody hard

Anybody still play this though? Anybody got any tips I can get a break bigger then 4



in anycase though, beats the frigging crap out of snooker, snooker is sooo boring

	08-08-2003 03:54									#2
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I used to play a lot, one tip is try not to pot you ropponents ball, its not respotted, so when it goes down you are left with only two balls to score with which is a big dissadvantage

also if you can't score yourself leave the balls as spaced out as possible, with you oppenents ball pref. on a cushion

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	08-08-2003 04:07									#3
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ty

my main problem is scoring cannons, and how to cue the white ball

	08-08-2003 04:16									#4
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Hard to discribe in words :O)

If you hit the cue ball on the top and follow through with your cue, the ball will follow through after hitting the object ball. If you hit the cue ball (say) top AND left it will follow through but to the left hand side (same with right and bottom (bottom is tricy thou)).

Use the cushions, if theres no angle for a cannon look to see whether you can come off a cushion to hit your second ball.

But the main thing is practise hitting the cue ball off centre and see what happens, even against a cushion you'd be surprised how much spin is on the ball

BTW Use plenty of chalk!!!!! ;O)

	08-08-2003 04:18									#5
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quote: BTW Use plenty of chalk!!!!! ;O)

I spend most of my time chalking, it makes me lok like i know what i am doing

	08-08-2003 04:23									#6
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it's not a game you get good at quickly (I've played for 10 years and I'm average at best) the best bet is to play and just try and pick up the angles/ how to hit the ball as you go along

	08-08-2003 04:29									#7
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever it's not a game you get good at quickly (I've played for 10 years and I'm average at best) the best bet is to play and just try and pick up the angles/ how to hit the ball as you go along

thats what i have been doing, its kinda frustratring sometimes though, like you here of pro billiards players from decades ago scoring breaks of over 500, anf I get 4 if i am lucky

did you play at a snooker hall or a proper billiards place?

	08-08-2003 04:36									#8
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I used to play in a snooker hall where you had to pay for the light above the table by the hour, so one game of snooker would take 40 mins or so, so you had minutes 'left in' the light but not enough for another game of snooker. We'd play Billiards for the last 20 or so until the light went out. Got to be a bit of a ritual ;O)

	08-08-2003 04:43									#9
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever I used to play in a snooker hall where you had to pay for the light above the table by the hour, so one game of snooker would take 40 mins or so, so you had minutes 'left in' the light but not enough for another game of snooker. We'd play Billiards for the last 20 or so until the light went out. Got to be a bit of a ritual ;O)

hehe, i just got really bored of snooker (plus i was so crap at it ) and billiards has always seemed cool. then i tried it and never looked back, its just so damn hard.

but atleast no one else there knows what i am supposed to do, so i look really good

	08-08-2003 04:47									#10
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Where did you hear of the game? It's even dying out in the North of England!

	08-08-2003 04:51									#11
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when i was a kid and had a (small) snooker table, my grandad used to say how he could only play billiards... i was to young to realise

And I heard bits here and there also, and eventually just tried it out.


I noticed how its dying out also, trying to find info on the net is immpossible, i was lucky to find a website with some decent rules on it.

who knows though, maybe all these youngster today will realise, though i dare say they havn't the patience for it

	08-08-2003 05:01									#12
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I Googled the rules, and most are different to what we play,we played cannons were worth different amounts depending on which ball was hit first and the same with 'in offs'

One site even started with 'rack the balls up in a triangle'!!!

	08-08-2003 05:03									#13
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What's the difference between billiards and pool? Colour of the baize? Or does it go deeper than that?

	08-08-2003 05:07									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Merlin What's the difference between billiards and pool? Colour of the baize? Or does it go deeper than that?

the table is a standard snooker table, with only the white, yellow and one! red on it.
The white is used as one players cue ball and the yellow as the other players cue ball.

Other than that it exactly like pool!only totally different

Well the balls are still round I suppose, but thats about it

	08-08-2003 05:13									#15
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http://departments.weber.edu/wildca...liard_rules.htm


is the place with a list of decent rules on it. for more then just billiards to.


the 'rtack the balls' thing is probably cos american pool is called pocket billiards for some reason

	08-08-2003 05:14									#16
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In that case, I think I'll stick to good old eight-ball thanks

	08-08-2003 05:18									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Merlin In that case, I think I'll stick to good old eight-ball thanks

thats boring as hel though. American pool is the only pool worth the time of day imo, uk pool is dull

I'd like to havew a bash at 9-ball one day, need to find a place with numbered balls though

	08-08-2003 05:20									#18
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Andy can you pot your opponents ball? those rules don't mention.

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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Andy can you pot your opponents ball? those rules don't mention.

on the carom billiards one you can, on the english one you can't, and it mentions this in brackets somewhere near the bottom in an obscure way, which is why it took me a while to find out

i think its just shot over if you pot his ball, thats why i like these rules, only 3 ways to score, which makes it extremely tricky

	08-08-2003 05:23									#20
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ILLEGALLY POTTED BALL The red ball is spotted on the 7-spot. The opponent's cue ball will be put in play, by the opponent, from the "D". (Note: potting the opponent's cue ball ends the shooter's inning.)

	08-08-2003 05:27									#21
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Oh I see, we play that if you pot the opponents ball you score 2 pts but the ball is removed from the table until you finished your 'break' (you use that word in the US?).

That way you a 'punished' by only having two balls to score with for the rest of your break

	08-08-2003 05:29									#22
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i live in UK btw


Thats almost like the carom rules on the site i gave you, except the opponents cue ball is respotted - though in that variation 15 hazards (potted balls) unbroken streak is a fould, so ultimatley you need both balls in play

	08-08-2003 05:32									#23
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American pool, that's where you have stripes and spots instead of red and yellow isn't it. Big deal

	08-08-2003 05:35									#24
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Sorry Old Boy, I thought Calypsos Island was near Rhode Island. I'll check out those rules, but when I play it's in a ''Workingmens Club' having my weekly pint with my Dad, I can't can't see 'new' rules being taken on board lightly!!!!!;O)

	08-08-2003 05:37									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Merlin American pool, that's where you have stripes and spots instead of red and yellow isn't it. Big deal

A word of advice, don't play pool for money, here or in the US!

	08-08-2003 21:47									#26
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Sorry Old Boy, I thought Calypsos Island was near Rhode Island. I'll check out those rules, but when I play it's in a ''Workingmens Club' having my weekly pint with my Dad, I can't can't see 'new' rules being taken on board lightly!!!!!;O)

hehe, i don't think there are to many workingmens clubs in london


And Calypos's Island is from the Oddysey

quote: American pool, that's where you have stripes and spots instead of red and yellow isn't it. Big deal

I think that maybe you should read the rules for 14.1 continuous and 9 -ball that i have just posted

	11-08-2003 10:54									#27
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As per pool/snooker, chalk the cue a bit before every shot and learn to avoid hitting any accidental spin on the cue ball. Also, most people don't follow through enough. Focus on following through consistently (perhaps half a foot, I can't remember exactly) and following through straight.

Accepted practise is to line up the shot from on high, then stay as low as possible while executing the shot.

As for billiards,
I would just learn the angle of canons by trial and error, probably playing on less than full size tables unless your skills are outstanding. The wierd thing is how a narrow strike still leaves the cue ball flying off course by a lot. I would tend to practice narrower-struck canoning angles first or else you will have to pay too much attention to the effects of top/back spin and that is pretty confusing.

If playing near-straight with significant power and back-spin it is a crap shoot what sort of angle you can get the cue ball to come off at.

Other than that, the only hope you have is if you are good at snooker or pool and can use potting the red to get the 3 balls close together. Even then, I find that I cannot keep a break going for long.

I would be inclined to avoid using top and back spin aggresively or you'll never get a feel for the angles - and side-spin is even more of a distraction.

Be warned, though, I'm probably no better at billiards than you are.