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Zulu Elephant is offline Zulu Elephant
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If you were to convert to a particular religion/denomination (presumably purely on their philosophy since you don't believe in god) what would you opt for?

Put another way: As an athiest which religious philosophy (minus the ritualistic/spiritual baggage) appeals to you most?

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Neoplatonism.

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Probably Buddhism. 'Cept I like material things. I'd have to say ultraliberal Episcopalianism. If losing the "ritualistic/spiritual baggage" entails not attending church services, then life would go practically unchanged!

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The one that believes in 'karma', I don't believe in it per se, but I like to think in general terms 'What comes around, goes around'

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Paganism.

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Buddism

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Probably Buddhism.


Yep, especially Zen-Buddhism

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karma == Buddism?

if so i'd be a lapsed buddist

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Probably a cross between Agathons and Buddism. I'm sorry but I cant live without tantra!

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Probably a cross between Agathons and Buddism. I'm sorry but I cant live without tantra!


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wutever the aztecs practiced.

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wutever the aztecs practiced.


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none

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wutever the aztecs practiced.


Very sick polythiesim.

The Native American religions are good too, they emphasize being one with nature, and I am an enviromentalist tree hugger.

Sava, I was expecting you to say Serbian Orthodox.

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Sava, I was expecting you to say Serbian Orthodox.
That would require me to believe in God.

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Sava, that wasn't the point of the question.

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That would require me to believe in God.


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Sava, that wasn't the point of the question.
Well what the **** is any Christian religion without a belief in God or Jesus? Would we just go to church and pray to Barney?

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Well what the **** is any Christian religion without a belief in God or Jesus? Would we just go to church and pray to Barney?


First, the question wasn't confined to Christianity, but any religions.

And it was asking which one, "minus ritual/spiritual" aspects, you would find the most agreeable (i.e. the moral and philosophical tenets).

Christianity does require more than just belief in the divinity of Jesus. It also requires a basic abiding by the philosophy that Jesus is believed to have taught.

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First, the question wasn't confined to Christianity, but any religions.

And it was asking which one, "minus ritual/spiritual" aspects, you would find the most agreeable (i.e. the moral and philosophical tenets).

Christianity does require more than just belief in the divinity of Jesus. It also requires a basic abiding by the philosophy that Jesus is believed to have taught.
yeah, but every holiday, tradition, and custom is based upon the belief in God and Jesus (I'm speaking of Orthodox denominations)... and if you don't believe in God or Jesus (because Orthodoxy is more about God because Jesus was the SON OF GOD) then how can you believe in the philosophies taught by the Bible?

Overall, I'll have to stick with my first answer... none. Personally, I have my own mind and prefer to come up with my own morals and philosophies. Some people have written and said some good things, but not one faith, person, or philosophy can fully agree with my own personal feelings and morals.

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Hmm. Cthulhuism. How can you go wrong with a deity who can eat all the other deities?

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Hmm. Cthulhuism. How can you go wrong with a deity who can eat all the other deities?


At my old college we had a group called "Campus Crusade for Cthulhu". They had a logo of the Old One himself enveloping the college crest.

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Hmm. Cthulhuism. How can you go wrong with a deity who can eat all the other deities?


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yeah, but every holiday, tradition, and custom is based upon the belief in God and Jesus (I'm speaking of Orthodox denominations)...


Right. So, pick a non-orthodox denomination. Or a non-Christian religion. That's the point. I don't see why you're being so narrow, except to harp on the same anti-Christian note.

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and if you don't believe in God or Jesus (because Orthodoxy is more about God because Jesus was the SON OF GOD) then how can you believe in the philosophies taught by the Bible?


Gee, I think "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" works pretty well sans theological context. Same for "The meek shall inherit the earth," and any number of Judeo-Christian tenets, such as not killing, not stealing, not lying, not committing adultery, honoring your parents, be kind to people (even strangers), give to the poor, don't be excessively proud, etc. Perhaps the greatest, aside from the golden rule, comes from the NT: "Love one another."

There are tons of moral tenets in the Bible that don't require belief in the metaphysical claims to see them as really good ways to live. Same is true for other religions.

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Overall, I'll have to stick with my first answer... none. Personally, I have my own mind and prefer to come up with my own morals and philosophies. Some people have written and said some good things, but not one faith, person, or philosophy can fully agree with my own personal feelings and morals.


Great, but again, that's not the question. It's which religious philosophy agrees with you the most, not which one is absolutely 100% in line with your beliefs. If there was one that was such, one would think you'd be practicing it already.

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there's not really any then Boris...

and also, I didn't post any anti-Christian "harps"...

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there's not really any then Boris...


Are you telling me you can't differentiate between any religious moral philosophy? You can't see any more advantage of, say, Buddhism as a core of moral tenets as opposed to others? Come on, that's nonsense. Just because one does not agree with any religion doesn't mean one can't make a comparative judgment about what they say.

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Maybe not in this thread, but I can direct your attention to the Episcopalian bishop thread...

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Daoism (even though it is not a religion per se)

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^ What UR said

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Daoism (even though it is not a religion per se)


Well, there is a religious Daoism in China, IIRC

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Are you telling me you can't differentiate between any religious moral philosophy? You can't see any more advantage of, say, Buddhism as a core of moral tenets as opposed to others? Come on, that's nonsense. Just because one does not agree with any religion doesn't mean one can't make a comparative judgment about what they say.
I can differentiate between them, but none of them jump out as great. Each one has things that I like and dislike.

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Maybe not in this thread, but I can direct your attention to the Episcopalian bishop thread...
Well, maybe you shouldn't accuse me of doing something I'm not...

 
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