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st_swithin is offline st_swithin
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Yep, chalk it up to being the longest and bloodiest war never fought in Asia, and ending with the last man standing.

Take THAT, Vezzini!!

How's being clever working for you know?

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I find the freemasons secrecy to be spooky. My ex was big into them and their apparent evilness (or so she thought).

I grew up next to a Masonic temple and they never seemed to have anything strange going on their except the occasional antique car show.

We stole a picnic table from them once as kids. We put it in the woods and hung out on it. Yes, there isnt alot to do in my hometown. Getting high on the masonic bench was a big highlight.

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For forty dollars a year, I'd join the masons if they let me have 60 Megabytes of webspace...


Would you sit in the back and keep to yourself?

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I tried trolling for spam, but all I got were a bunch of anchovies.


What the hell do you use for bait on anchovies? Plankten? I have very poor fine motor control, I'd never be able to do it.

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What about Dillenger?

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I wouldn't become a Freemason if you got on to your stinking knees and begged me!!!

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What's the need of being a freemason when you are an Apolytoner already ? I mean, here we are a communitiy dedicated to discuss about issues of our time to improve mankind, are we not ?

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We need a secret handshake first. No decent secret society would be seen dead without a special handshake.

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To join the Masons you must meet three criteria:

1.) You must be freeborn. No man who has been a slave or indentured may be a Mason.


Dare i ask....why? What does ever having been a slave have anything to do with it, and so what if i have dentures? Seriously, is that just their way of excluding blacks, or is there a more obscure reason?

I find it funny that, just because it's secretive, people think it must be sinister

If you want sinister, just join my secret philatelist's association

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To join the Masons you must meet three criteria:

1.) You must be freeborn. No man IS a slave or IS indentured may be a Mason.
2.) You must NOT TALK ABOUT THE MASONS (however, talking TO a mason is acceptable, but only about topics OTHER THAN MASONS).
3.) You must BE a mason - that is, you must be a stoneworker of the most LITERAL TYPE - you must work with stones and rocks and use them to build something that benefits mankind.


Addendum:
A.) No, "getting stoned" does NOT COUNT.

B.) No, "public stoning of self or others" does NOT COUNT.

C.) Yes, digging rocks out of the ground for your own amusement DOES COUNT, so long as you had a good time doing it (please see "Stir of Echoes" starring Kevin Bacon).

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Dare i ask....why? What does ever having been a slave have anything to do with it, and so what if i have dentures? Seriously, is that just their way of excluding blacks, or is there a more obscure reason?

I find it funny that, just because it's secretive, people think it must be sinister

If you want sinister, just join my secret philatelist's association


It is not a way to exclude blacks. It comes from the middle ages and the apprentice system. The first degree of masonry is actually called "The Entered Apprentice"

Unfortunately it has been interpreted in some venues as a way to exclude blacks. That is changing now.

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Actually, a good litmus test to see if someone has been a slave is to see if they'll buy a slave themselves - anyone who has BEEN ENSLAVED AND EVENTUALLY FREED would NEVER BUY ANOTHER SLAVE.

To test to see if the person IS still a slave, ask them to do something unreasonable and observe how they react.

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What is the association between the Freemasons and the Knights Templars? That is, officially - I've heard the conspiracy theories

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What is the association between the Freemasons and the Knights Templars? That is, officially - I've heard the conspiracy theories


You must be a Mason to be a Knights Templar. The degree of Knights Templar is conferred in the York Rite of Masonry.

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Sure, I understand, but I meant the association between the two organizations. That is, are the Templars a subsidiary group of the Masons? Things like that I guess, I dunno.

I guess I'm just asking what "conspiracy theories" are true? And more to the point, are there sex rituals involved?

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Sure, I understand, but I meant the association between the two organizations. That is, are the Templars a subsidiary group of the Masons? Things like that I guess, I dunno.

I guess I'm just asking what "conspiracy theories" are true? And more to the point, are there sex rituals involved?


Sex Rituals? Not that I've ever heard of. The association goes back to the formation of the Knights Templar and the Crusades (Please don't confuse this for Masonic support of the Crusades). The Templars excavated the area of the Temple of Solomon and found...uh...certain things shall we say(so the "rumor" goes).

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The Templars excavated the area of the Temple of Solomon and found...uh...certain things shall we say


Yes, as I recall the theory is they found confirmation of a...non-traditional...theory of the beginnings of Christianity, and the answer to the Grail myth.

Isn't it also true that the Templars were declared to be "a law unto themselves" by Innocent II?

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Yes, as I recall the theory is they found confirmation of a...non-traditional...theory of the beginnings of Christianity, and the answer to the Grail myth.

Isn't it also true that the Templars were declared to be "a law unto themselves" by Innocent II?


It was the age old problem of what happens to you when you control more cash than the pope. It was actually Pope Pius (sp?) I think that aligned with the King of France to bring down the Templars (which they did not!)

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Why are you two guys speaking in riddles about what the Templars have discovered ? How does it matter today on an internet forum ?

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Why are you two guys speaking in riddles about what the Templars have discovered ? How does it matter today on an internet forum ?


I promised.

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Interestingly enough, though, the origin of the superstition surrounding Friday the 13th is that that is the day on which the Templars were rounded up and the Pope attempted to destroy them. IIRC, at least.

To get back to the Freemasons, though, do they believe (as an organization) in what the Templars are alleged to have found under Solomon's Temple? And, isn't Paganism (NOT devil worship, that isn't the implication) associated with Masonry?

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I promised.

Oh. I didn't know that was knowledge transmitted by the masons.

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The Templars were supposed to have discovered evidence that is contradictory to the beliefs of the Christian Church. That is, Jesus was not divine, Jesus was married, Jesus did not die on the cross, Jesus had and has descendants, Jesus wrote his own Gospel, and things of this nature. At least this is the story that I've heard, although I'm certainly no Mason or Templar.

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The Templars were supposed to have discovered evidence that is contradictory to the beliefs of the Christian Church. That is, Jesus was not divine, Jesus was married, Jesus did not die on the cross, Jesus had and has descendants, Jesus wrote his own Gospel, and things of this nature.

Well, that doesn't sound that absurd. After all, the divine stature of Jesus may have been invented by the Apostles (especially Paul) to get the uneducated people of the time to flock to Jesus' teachings.

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BTW, if anybody played Arcanum here, I'm sure the whole plot with the big monotheistic religion is directly inspired by the catholic Church, and how it made not-so-clean things to become more influent

 
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