10-08-2003 02:46									#1
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Why do the top democrats still support Davis? They should of impeached him rather than let things get so bad that the Republicans have found a way to win the state via a recall. As much as I hate the that corrupt scum Davis, We need another democratic governor, not some Reagan clone or Arnold, who won't be able to fix your guy's deficit.

	10-08-2003 02:52									#2
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I'm voting for Jesse the Body.

	10-08-2003 02:54									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I'm voting for Jesse the Body.

His rampant Libertarianism really f*cked up Minnesota.

	10-08-2003 02:55									#4
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Says the man who gave us Jesse Ventura.

	10-08-2003 03:04									#5
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Hey, until the corporate Democrats are broken, they won't be responsive to the people. As long as they think they can win by playing political games and whoring themselves to corporations, they are useless, except as a temporary break from the scorched Earth policies of the Republicans.

If I could vote in Cali, I'd be voting for Arianna! Woo!

	10-08-2003 03:07									#6
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I'd vote for Arnie . Terminator for Governor!

	10-08-2003 03:09									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Odin Why do the top democrats still support Davis? They should of impeached him rather than let things get so bad that the Republicans have found a way to win the state via a recall. As much as I hate the that corrupt scum Davis, We need another democratic governor, not some Reagan clone or Arnold, who won't be able to fix your guy's deficit.

Hell, I think they will screw up the most if they happen to win the upcoming election - that could be their biggest mistake.

	10-08-2003 03:09									#8
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Oh a more serious note, THIS is what I love about states' rights. The ability to try out new things in different states. People are decrying this recall, but it'll be interesting to see how it works out. Maybe other states will consider it.

It's a nice political experiment, IMO.

	10-08-2003 03:09									#9
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California has a bad experience with actor governors.

On a side note, why does it seem that actors who go into elected politics are always Republicans? Reagan, Eastwood, Bono, the dude on Law and Order, Gopher, and more I'm sure.

	10-08-2003 03:09									#10
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No one wants Gary Coleman?

	10-08-2003 03:11									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui It's a nice political experiment, IMO.

I know they're saying this is the first time this has ever happened, but I thought they recalled two Arizona governors in the 1980s.

Personally, I'm a big believer in recalls, but there needs to be some valid control on it, so it's not just a way to steal an election after losing it.

	10-08-2003 03:12									#12
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand No one wants Gary Coleman?

Watchu talkin' 'bout, Slowwhand?

	10-08-2003 03:16									#13
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quote: I know they're saying this is the first time this has ever happened, but I thought they recalled two Arizona governors in the 1980s.

I believe the last successful recall of a governor was in North Dakota in 1913, IIRC.

quote: Personally, I'm a big believer in recalls, but there needs to be some valid control on it, so it's not just a way to steal an election after losing it.

If 50%+ of the people wish to recall a governor for screwing up really badly how is it 'stealing' an election in anyway? In the end, recalls aren't that common because even if the people dislike the governor, they won't resort to recalls unless he is REALLY disliked.

	10-08-2003 03:17									#14
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He's running, as fast as his itty bitty legs can carry him.
Announced the same day as Auhnuld.

	10-08-2003 04:06									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui If 50%+ of the people wish to recall a governor for screwing up really badly how is it 'stealing' an election in anyway? In the end, recalls aren't that common because even if the people dislike the governor, they won't resort to recalls unless he is REALLY disliked.

Yes, but this one didn't come about from a poular campaign to unseat the governor, but because some rich guy (weepy Issa--Wahhh, I wanted to be governor, now Arnold's stolen my toy!) hired a bunch of out of state canvassers to go around getting people to sign a petition.

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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand He's running, as fast as his itty bitty legs can carry him. Announced the same day as Auhnuld.

He's not. At least more than being signed up. He's already said he won't campaign, and his filing fee and signature gathering was done by an Oakland area lefty newspaper who was "protesting" the recall by trying to contribute to the "only in California" circus atmosphere.

	10-08-2003 04:42									#17
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yes, but this one didn't come about from a poular campaign to unseat the governor, but because some rich guy (weepy Issa--Wahhh, I wanted to be governor, now Arnold's stolen my toy!) hired a bunch of out of state canvassers to go around getting people to sign a petition.

Bullshit. Something like 5 out of state canvassers, two of whom had felony convictions, and some whopping 300 out of 1.6 million signatures were gathered by them, and NOT submitted.

Campaigns don't directly hire canvassers, at least not in this state (with all it's initiatives, it's a full time business), they hire companies that sign up the contract labor, and are supposed to comply with the law.

Even if you take your distorted spin on it, all the rich guys and all the out of state canvassers (hell, make 'em Martians) can't make real live registered voters sign a petition for something they aren't interested in signing.

Popular campaigns for anything bigger than small town city council or small water district board don't exist in California, it is a very high money state for any form of campaign.

	10-08-2003 05:56									#18
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Thanks MtG... also having a governor with 29% approval rating, kinda guarentees that you could easily get enough signatures. You just need the money to pay the people to collect signatures (which ain't all that cheap to do).

	10-08-2003 06:26									#19
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Odin -

quote: His rampant Libertarianism really f*cked up Minnesota.

Rampant Libertarianism?

	10-08-2003 07:55									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Thanks MtG... also having a governor with 29% approval rating, kinda guarentees that you could easily get enough signatures. You just need the money to pay the people to collect signatures (which ain't all that cheap to do).

Where did you see an approval rating that high? If Davis has gone up that far, that's a pretty big accomplishment. He's been hovering around 22% for a while, with approval in the teens for handling the budget.

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Ok, so I was a bit too high... I guess I remembered it wrong .

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There's 106 people on the ballot so far. This is going to be the biggest ballot known to man.

	10-08-2003 07:59									#23
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Damn, had me worried. He's like the blob, the only way to be sure he's gone is to fly him to Antartica and dump him there.

	10-08-2003 08:02									#24
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The evil Grey Davis, hanging on anyway he can .

	10-08-2003 08:03									#25
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I think this recall's a good thing. I think we should see more of this kind of thing in the rest of the country - citizens actually flexing their muscle, letting the government employees know who is paying their salary, and solving the problems they see. People are argue against this recall are the same ones who think only a certain class of people are qualified for political office.

	10-08-2003 08:46									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Odin His rampant Libertarianism really f*cked up Minnesota.

Jesse Ventura...libertarian? Good one!

	10-08-2003 08:50									#27
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You can not impeach someone for incompetence. And Davis is not guilty of incompetence anyway, as much as some people may scream and shout.
Davis has proven to be a tough street fighter, and a money making machine for the party: as bland as he is, he can raise more cash in the state than anyone. That buys alliegence. The thing to do would be to presure him to fall on his sword, thus aoviding the whole election and making Bustamante gov.

I still think only a sucker would want the job now. Heck, if the crisis is not solved, maybe another recall in 12 months? Why not?

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quote: Originally posted by GePap The thing to do would be to presure him to fall on his sword, thus aoviding the whole election and making Bustamante gov.

The recall would still go foward even if that happened.

	10-08-2003 08:58									#29
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so when is California going to fall off into the ocean??

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc The recall would still go foward even if that happened.

Well, first there would be lawsuits over that. Second, unlikely that the first ballot would end up for a recall if Davis's name isn;t the one to recall.

quote: so when is California going to fall off into the ocean??

Not soon enough.