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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
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Hizbullah shelling kills 16-year-old, wounds four in North
David Rudge and Jerusalem Post Internet Staff
Aug. 10, 2003
Haviv Dadon, a 16-year-old boy from the northern border town of Shlomi, died from wounds sustained in a cross-border shelling attack by Hizbullah.
It is the first fatality in over a year of such shelling by Hizbullah. (Click here
for a list of incidents on the border in the last three years.) The anti-aircraft shells landed on the town of Shlomi in the western Galilee. Four others were lightly wounded by shrapnel.
All were evacuated to the Nahariya Government Hospital by Magen David Adom "Natan" mobile intensive care ambulances.
Gabriel Na'aman, head of the Shlomi regional council, said that Haviv had worked for the council in a student clean-up town project. He said that as Haviv was finishing his workday of painting and picking up litter, a Hizbullah shell dropped 2 meters from Haviv, spraying him with shrapnel. He died shortly afterwards.
The mood in Shlomi and in other northern cities and towns is a mixture of sadness and anger. The residents had complained to both the Prime Minister and Defense Minister that Hizbullah's cross-border attacks would one day kill someone.
Na'aman said the he never received a response to his concern about the dangers facing his community from either the Prime Minister or Defense Minister.
Dore Gold, an adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon,
said the shelling constituted "unbridled escalatory attacks ... an intolerable state of affairs."
The Israeli Air Force destroyed the Hizbullah battery using a number of attack helicopters earlier today, a military source told The Jerusalem Post.
Lebanese officials said warplanes fired at least one air-to
surface missile on an area near the village of Teir Harfa, about 3 kilometers from the Lebanese-Israeli border.
Residents of the north were placed on high alert this morning as the IDF instructed civilians to enter air raid bunkers. This was the first time that the IDF has given such an order since Israel withdrew from it's security zone in south Lebanon three years ago.
Over the weekend, Israel's ambassador to the United Nations sent a letter to UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan holding the Syrian and Lebanese governments responsible for Hizbullah's "acts of terror," Foreign Ministry spokesman Yonatan Peled said Saturday.
American diplomats also told Lebanon and Syria that the
administration was concerned about the "calculated and provocative escalation" by Hizbullah, State Department deputy spokesman Philip T. Reeker said. Hezbollah is on the US State Department's list of terrorist organizations.
Syria's state-run Tishrin newspaper charged in an editorial
Sunday that Israel was trying "to expand the circle of its aggression and deliberately provoke and threaten more than one Arab country," in hopes of slowing progress on the "road map" peace plan with the Palestinians long enough to deal with its internal problems.
But the official protest and warnings did not stop Hizbullah
from firing more anti-aircraft shells over the eastern part of Upper Galilee Saturday afternoon. Some shrapnel hit homes in Kiryat Shmona and Metulla and several people had to be treated for shock, but no one was seriously hurt and the damage to property was relatively light.
There were also no Israeli casualties as a result of
Hizbullah's cross-border bombardments on IDF positions in the Mount Dov and Mount Hermon regions and its subsequent firing over the Galilee on Friday.
Damage, however, was caused to IDF outposts in the Mount Dov region as well as to a house, which was unoccupied at the time, near the Golan Heights Druse village of Majdal Shams.
Hizbullah gunners unleashed a barrage of anti-tank, mortar, and Katyusha rocket fire at IDF positions on Mount Dov and on the Golan Heights in the Mount Hermon region Friday at about 10am.
On Sunday, only hours before the fatal shelling, Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom held Lebanon and Syria responsible for Hizbullah's actions.
"We say to Syria and Lebanon as responsible parties for Hizbullah behavior ... that if Hizbullah activities continue and constitute an undermining of security of the citizens of Israel, we will have no choice but to defend ourselves," Shalom said.
Shalom declined to elaborate on what he meant.
"We don't want to use the language of threats now and say what we will do and how we will do it," he said. "I think the regime in Syria knows very well what our capabilities are, and I don't think it's worthwhile for it to put us to the test."
Israel withdrew its forces from a self-declared security zone in southern Lebanon in May 2000, following more than a decade of low level warfare with Hizbullah, including frequent Hizbullah rocket attacks on northern towns. Since then large-scale violence between the sides has diminished, but dozens of smaller incidents have occurred that have led to the deaths of eight soldiers and five civilians.
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:30
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Sharon confers on north, diplomatic offensive likely
By HERB KEINON
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon held consultations with senior security and intelligence officials Sunday night to discuss Hizbullah's deadly attack, but diplomatic officials said any large-scale military action would likely be preceded by intense diplomatic pressure on Syria to restrain Hizbullah.
Foreign Ministry officials said after the attack that Israel views Lebanon, Syrian and Iran which support Hizbullah as responsible for the deterioration of the situation in the north.
"Not only do Syria and Iran not fight terror," one Foreign Ministry spokesman said, "but they encourage terror on the northern border, and in the territories, in order to torpedo any chance to reach peace."
According to this logic, Syria and Iran who for different reasons are not happy with the road map - are looking to provoke Israel into a retaliatory action that would enrage the Arab world and force the Palestinians to ditch the road map.
Referring to Syria, the official said it is "absurd that a country on the list of terror sponsoring nations, and which supports terrorism, is now the head of the UN Security Council, whose job is to work for peace in the world."
Syria is currently the acting president of the UN Security Council.
The Foreign Ministry official said while Israel has fulfilled its obligations to withdraw from Lebanon, the Lebanese government did not fulfill its obligations to deploy its troops south, thereby allowing Hizbullah to work there without hindrance.
"Israel has the right of self defense, to protect its citizens, and that is what it will do," the official said.
Israel, said one senior diplomatic official, must be careful in choosing how to retaliate. If it hits back with a military hammer blow, the world will blame Jerusalem for escalating the situation, he said.
Furthermore, the official said, if Israel immediately retaliates it will lose a golden opportunity to pressure the Syrians to restrain Hizbullah.
"The important thing is to use the opportunity to exhaust diplomatic pressure on Syria to restrain Hizbullah," the official said. "We can always attack Hizbullah, that is the easy part. The goal now is to bring Syria as president of the Security Council - to comply with the obligations and promises it made to US Secretary of State Colin Powell and the US after the war in Iraq."
These commitments included dismantling the terror organizations in Damascus, and ending its support for Hizbullah.
When asked whether it is better to strike out militarily or go through the US and apply diplomatic pressure on Syria, the official said this need not be an either/or equation.
"One option is not better than the other," he said, "we have to do both. But we have to exhaust diplomacy before attacking Hizbullah, otherwise we will be the ones blamed for escalating the situation."
Prior to the attack on Shlomi, Chief of General Staff Maj.-Gen. Moshe Ya'alon briefed the cabinet on the situation in the north, saying Hizbullah believes American pressure exerted after the War in Iraq has been lessened, and that now is the time to act and once again become the center of attention, which will help them domestically inside Lebanon.
Ya'alon said Hizbullah is also under pressure to step up action in the north because while Israel has released Palestinian prisoners, it did not release any Lebanese prisoners. In addition, Hizbullah is blaming Israel for a blast that killed a central Hizbullah figure in Beirut earlier this month.
Ya'alon told the ministers the IDF is "prepared" for an escalation in the north. He dismissed the idea that Israel has lost its deterrence capability in the north, saying it is the fear of a harsh Israeli response that has kept Hizbullah from operating on a major scale for months. |
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yavoon
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"they shoot him when he runs and he explodes"
why is that hilarious?
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:30
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The PA blames Iran for the attacks.
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WRangler Rhymer
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Hey have you seen the new gun the Israelies have developed for urban warfare.
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WRangler Rhymer
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That would not be good, if Lebanon and Israel went at it. I dont think they will do that much to Iran, they will probably get a break in some penalties.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:30
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Frankly, I dont care about all this Lebanon crap.
I mean, I do care, but Iran is going to have nukes in a year or two. Iran! Nukes! Soon! With all due respect to some AA fire from Lebanon that kills someone once a year, Iran is going to have nukes!
If that's not a reason to do some really drastic stuff, or at least to start panicking, then I dont know what is.
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WRangler Rhymer
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You right, to create another India, Pakistan stand off would not be good, or would Iranians be crazy enough to fire nukes.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:30
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
That's why that hearing is going to be taken seriously, and why Iran is going to do what it has to, to derail it. |
No hearing will stop Iran from getting the nukes. I'm willing to bet that it even wont delay them.
Iran has one US controlled state to the East of it, another to the West, it is part of the "Axis of Evil", it also has one, friendly though, nuclear neighbor to the East and of course Israel as the arch-enemy has a gazillion nukes.
They WANT nukes, they NEED nukes, it's a matter of survival for Iran and for their islamic revolution.
I'm telling you. Iran has, from their point of view, lots of very good reasons to get nukes and all this sweet talking about student protests and UN hearings and whatnot is bull, it's not going to stop them.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:30
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Hamas claimed responsibility for the Ariel bombing.
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:30
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Originally posted by tandeetaylor
Hmmm.... Do we really want to talk about illegally occupying Lebanon?  |
Yes we do.
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You know, I understand why you focus so much on the bad things that other countries do, but why can't you just admit that Israel has done some horrible things too? |
I focus on other countries to counter the regular media which ignores any news in the middle east unless Israel can be represented as evil.
Did you even know that Syria is occupying Lebanon and is defacto the real leader of the puppet Lebanese government?
Why didn't CNN /BBC feature this?
Why is there such an outcry against Israeli occupation, but none about Syrian one? Because it's ok if Arabs occupy Arabs, but it's wrong for westerners (inc. Israelis) to occupy Arabs?
Furthermore, the Israeli occupation in the West Bank is neither illegal nor an occupation of territory.
Firstly, unlike in the case of Lebanon, there has never been a Palestinian state nor has such a state been declared or acknowledged by the UN / the world. The territories in question have different people and nations claiming them according to different suggested partitions of "Historical Palestine" (Israel + Jordan) and different promises made by the British. Thus there is no occipation of Palestine. Only of Palestinians. And there is nothing "illegal" about occupying land or people as a result of war. There are laws governing such occupations.
Secondly, Israel has undoubtedly occupied from 1967 the people living in the West Bank and Gaza. They were run under a unique half military civil service, and were not given full citizenship rights in Israel, though they could and still can approach the Israeli court system, as the ultimate judge, and have infact done so.
Thridly, an occupation of people is not necessary equal to occupation of land.
Fourth - Israel has never intentionally and / or knowingly targetted innocent civilians.
Terrorist / Illegal combatants / "Partisans" which hide among civilian population are legitimate targets in war, and they bear the fault for casualties among civilians. The army, is in no way limited beyond usual reasonable combat laws in city terrain, when hunting for such combatants.
Furthermore, from 1993, and until 2001, the territories containing 97% of the Palestinian population in the west bank and Gaza, were either in full Palestinian control, or gradually transmitted to Palestinian control. The Palestinian people were governed by their Autonomy known as the PA, ruled by the PLO.
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10-08-2003 22:01
I was going to point this out, but you beat me to this.
That 16 year old wouldn't of been killed if it wasn't for the setlements. It is the teen's parents' fault for living in West Bank,
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