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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:30
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This should go for the rest of the folks, as naturally I know this already  .
That was what I meant by being cocky.. thinking that I could stand up with him. My stand up is not THAT bad, after all I train it on regular basis. But it's not in the level of my friend. And as you can see, the actual fight laster maybe less than 2 minutes with bouncing around taking most of the time. After few combos missing and me getting hit and as I learned that I'm not able to step in with this guy, I went for the shoot, that was succesful.
THe only mistake I made that I slipped of his back, and the mistake part was that after that he escaped from my backdoor. And as I set up my shoots, I throw kicks and punches. I just don't dance around and wait for the perfect moment, I need to set it up with guys that are good in the first place. That means striking. I thought he'd wait a surprise after getting up, like me high kicking, so I thought I'd go for his liver instead as a less risky kick and that way I could seriously follow it up with punching and there on take it on the ground, or take distance, throw few combos succesful or not setting up my next shoots.
It didn't work out for me today. He caught my leg and I was history. I'm not that bad of a kicker either, that I shouldn't kick at all. So I don't blame my tactics at that point. I think I did the right thing, it was good because reconsructed play-by-play fight by cut man and my buddy showed he bounced to my right (his left), and he is fighting with his right hand more extended, meaning he bounced to the wrong direction. I saw it and tried to capitalize. I'd still do the same if he did that. Either another liver kick, or punch with my right hand.
I mind my buddy has a decent takedown defense, he can brawl good, so setting up is a must, or I'll be eating knees and elbows shooting. I know my ground game, so that wasn't a problem. Well I screwed up for sure missing a perfect rear naked choke and letting him escape, but that happens sometimes. It just wasn't my day this time.
And I don't know what kind of sick vale tudo you do where you go for the fingers  . Small joint manipulation is definitely a big no no. And after all sparring is sparring and fighting with a friend is still not the same as wanting to break someones fingers 
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Sikander
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Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
time: 22:30
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quote:
Originally posted by Pekka
So basically I'm agreeing you all the way, except for the fingers part, I'd never do that to anyone. Except if it was a real situation. |
That's what I said, only in a real fight, never while sparring.
Btw, do you tend to do damage when you take people down, or are you mainly interested in maintaining control? I tend to simply set up my submissions with my throws, but have always wondered how effective a throw can be in a real fight. I have never really slammed somone in a fight because I was too afraid to kill them. (It always seems like I fight on very hard surfaces like concrete or tile.) On the mat though I have slammed people a bit, though never on the head.
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Sikander
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Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
time: 22:30
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quote:
Originally posted by Pekka
I usually go for clean shoots, double legs etc. Not so much for damage. I sometimes look for slams, but it's a double edged sword since I don't want to do it too much because even in the mat it can hurt a bit too much. So, If I slam someone, I do it so that I don't use full power. And that's why I tend to go with clean shoots in the first place.
In the streets first of all I don't fight, but if I had to, I wouldn't slam anyone. It's just too dangerous. Just weighed myself and I'm 89 kilos, so picking up a guy and throwing him on his back or neck is .. I don't even want to think about it . I trained a piledriver after I saw Bob Sapp doing one, but only the technique because that's a sure neck braker and brain killer.
But I'd say slams in real fights could be VERY effective. Maybe too effective. |
I thought to use them in (military) combat mostly, as they seem the fastest possible way to kill someone in close combat without a weapon. Of course I wouldn't hesitate to use it in a fight against an armed opponent in civilian life either, if it looked like my best option. I'd rather run though, unless I'm really insanely pi$$ed off for some reason.
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Sikander
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Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
time: 22:30
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quote:
Originally posted by Pekka
But don't get me wrong. I like the move a lot. It's a thing of beauty with strength and technique combined.. When the likes of Quinton 'Rampage' Jackson does them, I'm all cheering and in extacy, but at the same time I don't want to see the other guy injured. I've been slammed too, it's a breath taking experience
edit: Wait a minute.. so what do you do? I thought it was only me and David Floyd interested and doing the more free rules fighting.. ? |
I was a wrestler in high school and was a judo man in college, and have somehow developed some Aikido style moves (but never studied it formally). I think I developed my fighting style when I was a kid living on Okinawa for the most part. We fought a lot there, and those local kids were tough. I didn't even know that I knew judo until I took a judo class in college. It was mostly stuff I had been using for years, and I picked it up pretty quickly. Six months later I had a brown belt and was on the team. I lost a lot (2/3) in tournaments, but most of my opponents were vastly more experienced than me. In the dojo I sparred mostly with black belts, or sometimes with brown belts who outweighed me, and that built up my confidence a lot.
I went into the army after college and got into a few fights there. They were always over in a flash, hip throw and strangle. The same combination I used throughout my childhood against stupid Americans that tried to box me. I took a very little Tang Su Do, but injured my knee (hyperextension) while practicing front kicks against a heavy bag, and gave it up permanently. I can still kick decently though, I guess from playing soccer. I kick low and hard almost exclusively to the legs, unless my opponent is down.
I'm retired due to age and injury from sparring, though I still enjoy watching fights / matches. I saw the Ultimate Fighting Championships about 5 years after I quit doing martial arts regularly and fell in love with it. I wish there was something like that when I was younger, it would have had an even bigger impact on me. As it was I felt somewhat vindicated in my claims that grappling (alone) was superior to striking (alone) when my friends and I argued about martial arts. I only knew that from my experience no one was ever able to land a blow upon me, and I was always able to throw them to the ground and strangle them. Gracie showed my friends just how effective that (and quite a few other things too) could be.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:30
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Sikander,  two thumbs up.
Yeah, you know kids today have good things they can start as the game is now more popular and you can start cross training effectively in pro hands. I fell in love with shootfighting after I saw some tapes of Ken Shamrock in Pancrace.. and later on UFC. I took the sport later though, as I was too young, and my mom didn't let me.
I guess that was good, to enter the sport little more mature.
So you had some problems in Okinawa? Let me guess, your dad was in the army and you lived there because of that. How come you got into fights with locals? Some local baddies, or where you looking for trouble?
Little older guys than me that didn't have the opportunity of popular cross training that much, I find that the ones that are wrestlers with their backrounds do usually good. And naturally they have picked up something for striking, and then mixing it up and learning as it goes.. keeping their focus on the ground game that is. So, it seems like you went the right road maybe unknowingly.
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st_swithin
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10069
Nov 2002
time: 05:30
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Pekka: That's really weird that you said that. I just saw a tape of myself in a fight, and I was the only one there kicking my own ass.
The movie I saw was Jurassic Park. Did you just watch Undercover Brother?
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Sikander
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Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
time: 22:30
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quote:
Originally posted by Pekka
So you had some problems in Okinawa? Let me guess, your dad was in the army and you lived there because of that. How come you got into fights with locals? Some local baddies, or where you looking for trouble?
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Actually my parents were missionaries when we lived on Okinawa, though almost all the other Americans we knew were military. My dad worked for a company that ran three radio stations that broadcast christian programming. One broadcast in English (my dad was a dj for this station), one in Japanese and one in Chinese. My dad was the engineer for all of these stations as well as doing the dj shift at the English language station.
As for the fighting, it was fairly serious and organized sometimes. One of my earlier memories was of carrying bricks up to the front lines of a fight between the guys on my street and the guys a block away. I was 3 years old and could only carry one brick at a time. Most of the guys in my group were 5-7. I was the mascot I suppose. When I was in first grade I took part in these rock fights personally, and had a big rock split in two over my head. If it hadn't have broken in two I'm sure that I would have fractured my skull. My friends wrought terrible revenge on the guy who hit me, (he ambushed me from a tree, with an unsportingly large rock) everyone pummelled him with rocks as hard as they could throw.
The one on one fighting usually occurred at school or when I'd ride through an Okinawan village on my bike. The boys of the village might come out and challenge me to a fight. I'd have to fight their toughest guy, and this guy was usually older than me. They fought fair though, and I was never seriously hurt, or stupid enough to seriously hurt someone else. We'd be friends afterward no matter who won the fight. The next time through I'd fight someone else. It was really pretty friendly in comparison to the rock wars described above.
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st_swithin
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10069
Nov 2002
time: 05:30
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Steady there, big fella, easy boy. WHOA!
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