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lightblue
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L'Boro, UK
Oct 2001
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Also in general, the citizens of Mediterranean countries are far less environmentally inclined than "us Northerners". Most of these fires will have been started by locals.
As for us paying, why? Do you guys send us money when the floods strike? A europe wide disaster relief fund would be a good idea, but not solely funded by the Northern countries.
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CerberusIV
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Originally posted by VetLegion
All I am saying is that this is not natural and could be helped if there was will to do so. |
That more could, and should, be done including help from other european countries I entirely agree with.
The problem I, and probably many other people in northern europe, have is that southern europe sometimes seems like a black hole that swallows money and gives nothing back.
Two or three years ago it was reported that there was a drought in Sicily. We were told that it wasn't because it hadn't rained, or that there wasn't water in the reservoirs. The problem was apparently that money from the EU to pay for the pipes to distribute the water had "disappeared" without the pipes being installed. That kind of problem doesn't send a positive message to the taxpayers here.
The hot dry weather across europe this year is going to see a lot of people claiming compensation. By the time the politicians have finished arguing I doubt if many of them will really get the help they need.
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VetLegion
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Originally posted by lightblue
Also in general, the citizens of Mediterranean countries are far less environmentally inclined than "us Northerners". Most of these fires will have been started by locals. |
Sure, sure. It is just a coincidence they happen when there are most tourists in the countries?
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As for us paying, why? Do you guys send us money when the floods strike? A europe wide disaster relief fund would be a good idea, but not solely funded by the Northern countries. |
Ofcourse not solely funded by the northern countries. But you have floods, what, once every three, four years? We have fires every year. Sometimes less, sometimes cathasthropic (like this year)
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lightblue
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L'Boro, UK
Oct 2001
time: 05:30
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Oh, I sympatise, but blaming it on the tourists is a cop out imo. Hot weather and little to no rain results in fires. That this happens during the main tourist season (who come mostly during this period), is a coincidence not a cause.
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Bereta_Eder
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It's the first time I hear that tourists(!) of all people are to be blamed for the fires...
Arsenists, payed by lame constructors or other people who want to "clear" acres in order to build are the ones who put the fires.
And I don't see a reason for other EU countries to help us with the costs. The one thing that must be done, and in fact is being done, is to share human resources, firefighters, fire fighter planes and helicopters between countries. Something that is already being done.
And the net payers of the EU have every reason to question where the money go. Sicily is not an exception. The place stinks of EU infustructure money ending up in someone's pockets
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Bereta_Eder
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The solution to disuade arsenists and contractors of doing that is to automatically declare every fire stricken area as "non - buildable" as it is under the law here.
Now only if this law was enforced....
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VetLegion
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Arhem, you all gloaters should remember that in shortage of firefighters, military recruits get sent in. And you do remember MarkG is in the Greek army and could get fire duty, do you?
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DanielXY
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Germany
Dec 2002
time: 05:30
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Us Northeners cant give u any money right now ... we have to wait and see how much of our land is going to burn down... There are already some fires ... comparable small ... but who knows when the heat keeps up ...
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I would just like to point out that forest fires are a natural part of the eco-system. When there is a lot of over growth and people put out the small fires that could get rid of the small stuff it builds up for years and years untill you get a massive wild fires.
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H Tower
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A third of Portugal burned? I want to see a reputable source for that one.
And as others have pointed out, controlled forest fires prevent the big ones, just be careful they don't get out of hand. The US Park service learned that one at yellowstone.
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Bereta_Eder
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Portugal has just 3.000 firefighters. Greece with an equal to Portugal population has... 17.000 firefighters, some of which went to Portugal to help out.
Portugal maybe just wasnt prepared. Whereas Greece, with all the arsenist/cosntructors drooling venoumous saliva over its nice forests, was forced to get prepared  (not that it actually worked).
Miracously enough, and I'm sure this is just an accident there werent any damaging fires in Greece this summer, unlike previous summers, something that the ruling party has been desperate to exploit politically. (cause its going dooooown)
Of course they're not fooling anybody the bastards. Maybe there's nothing left to burn anymore.
Last edited by Bereta_Eder on 14-08-2003 at 05:05
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12-08-2003 16:10
so we sent a few clean-up teams, some technical aid and some kids from Prague got invited to a free holidays here payed by our parliament. We have an emotional link with Praha, should have done much more.
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