13-08-2003 03:06									#1
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Should we sign a NAP with MAST for 30 turns?

	13-08-2003 04:42									#2
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Yes, but only on the understanding it would not be worth the ASCII keys it is written with.

In other words; it's a token offer and nothing more. The only thing saving us from them now is our UU.

	13-08-2003 04:47									#3
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I dont even know if they have a unit in their city. Arnelos said they DO NOT want a unit coming in their cultural borders.

	13-08-2003 17:17									#4
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Accept it; but also point out that it's a token deal.

	13-08-2003 18:55									#5
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I suggest we include a clause in the NAP that says sending a unit into the cultural borders of the other civ without permission is considered an aggressive act. That way there will be no misunderstanding about it.

	14-08-2003 02:40									#6
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How will our team react to an aggressive act by another team?

Will we be all Sunshiny about it?

Or will we unleash the nuclear energy of the Sun on them?

	14-08-2003 04:51									#7
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Agree to it. Tie no strings. Make it friendly and amicable and warm. This first deal is a first impression of us, and we want to make a good first impression.

If another team violates us, we will not get angry. We will publicly try to resolve it peacefully but privately plan to remove their unhappy souls from the game and liberate their opressed and unhappy citizens.

NOTE: We must always present a sunny disposition to the other teams. They must never know when we are truely angry or when we are truely worried. They must always see us smiling and happy. Happiness shall be our "poker face."

--Togas

	14-08-2003 05:12									#8
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Ok should I muster up a NAP agreement?

	14-08-2003 11:11									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Togas Happiness shall be our "poker face." --Togas

Good way to put it. I was afraid you want to lay down our arms and only fight defensively. Thank goodness you didn't.

	14-08-2003 21:18									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master Ok should I muster up a NAP agreement?

Yes

	14-08-2003 23:48									#11
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Would I act sunny in the agreement. Or make it sound official?

	15-08-2003 00:40									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master Would I act sunny in the agreement. Or make it sound official?

Both.

	15-08-2003 01:54									#13
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It has to sound official for anyone to take the agreement seriously. Make it sound official but use a sunny (i.e., positive, friendly) words.

	15-08-2003 03:20									#14
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I, the Ambassador of Sunshina, hereby offer the following proposal to the Nation of MAST. If you agree to this proposal as outlined, mark your name on the bottom of the document and forward it to Nuclear Master. It shall then be considered a binding agreement once I've received it.

Sunshina And MAST Hereby Agree:

We wish for there to be peace, prosperity and sunshine between us, and in order to ensure that peace we hereby agree to the following:

1) There shall be no war or conflict between us. Our units shall not attack each other, nor shall they enter the cultural borders of the other party without permission from the other team. This shall be considered a Non-Aggression Pact.

2) Both our settlers shall not settle within the cultural borders of the other nation. MAST shall not settle directly or indirectly next to the border of our cities. Sunshina settlers shall not settle directly or indirectly next to the border of your cities.

4) Should MAST contact any other nation MAST will immediately give the contact to Sunshina. Should Sunshina make contact with another nation Sunshina will immediately give the contact to MAST.

5) Should any of this agreement be broken by either team it will immediately be dissolved and can be renegotiated.

6) This agreement shall last 30 turns after it is ratified by both parties. This agreement shall be open for renegotiating after 25 turns have passed.

	15-08-2003 19:43									#15
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quote: 2) Both our settlers shall not settle within the cultural borders of the other nation.

The game will not let you settle within another civ's border unless you are at war in the game. If we are at war this agreement will have been dissolved anyway.

quote: MAST shall not settle directly or indirectly next to the border of our cities. Sunshina settlers shall not settle directly or indirectly next to the border of your cities.

What do you mean by indirectly? This looks like something that is open to interpretation which could lead to disagreement.

quote: 4) Should MAST contact any other nation MAST will immediately give the contact to Sunshina. Should Sunshina make contact with another nation Sunshina will immediately give the contact to MAST.

We can not trade contact in the game until one of us has Writing. Since we may not be able to trade contact it could cause disagreement about whether or not the treaty has been broken.

	16-08-2003 00:51									#16
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I, the Ambassador of Sunshina, hereby offer the following proposal to the Nation of MAST. If you agree to this proposal as outlined, mark your name on the bottom of the document and forward it to Nuclear Master. It shall then be considered a binding agreement once I've received it.

Sunshina And MAST Hereby Agree:

We wish for there to be peace, prosperity and sunshine between us, and in order to ensure that peace we hereby agree to the following:

1) There shall be no war or conflict between us. Our units shall not attack each other, nor shall they enter the cultural borders of the other party without permission from the other team. This shall be considered a Non-Aggression Pact.

2) Both our teams shall not settle 3 tiles or less away from our cultural borders.

4) When writing is discovered Sunshina and MAST will give their contacts to each other.

5) This agreement shall remain private. Should either team break this agreement the other team may make the agreement public and notify any other team of it and of the violation by the offending team.


6) This agreement shall last 30 turns after it is ratified by both parties. This agreement shall be open for renegotiating after 25 turns have passed

Last edited by Lord Nuclear on 16-08-2003 at 01:37

	16-08-2003 00:57									#17
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They won't agree to share contacts, but go ahead and propose it. I might be wrong.

Change this:
5) Should any of this agreement be broken by either team it will immediately be dissolved and can be renegotiated.

to this:
5) This agreement shall remain private. Should either team break this agreement the other team may make the agreement public and notify any other team of it and of the violation by the offending team.

	16-08-2003 01:27									#18
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sounds good to me. Good work NM and Togas.