13-08-2003 03:38									#1
	ND/GoW Operation: Southern Bell Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

I was discussing the position with ND today and Darekill send be the attached image. ND is currently only in a position to take Cordoba, the one southern Roleplay city we can't reach. ND is excited about a sweep of the southern Roleplay cities which would leave GS/Roleplay a total of 3-4 cities left on the continent.

Synopsis of "Southern Bell"
Initiation phrase "Let Freedom Ring"
1) ND takes Cordoba

2) GoW takes Barcelona, unless it has been gifted to GS, in which case they may have landed more troops or moved in some from New Madrid or the ratty port city.

3) GoW takes Valencia

4) GoW takes Murcia

5) GoW takes Merida

6) GoW takes Salamanca

We then make a huge propoganda annoucement on how the entire bulk of the enemy empire changed sides.

7) Send the save to Roleplay.

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 13-08-2003 at 04:13

	13-08-2003 04:07									#2
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Remember that if we take all of those cities we will have to defend them all :/

(which I don't think we can do effectivly.)

	13-08-2003 06:36									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 Remember that if we take all of those cities we will have to defend them all :/ (which I don't think we can do effectivly.)

Actually we need to defend the front ones, and we will be connected to ND's forces.

In my opinion we should gift Salamanca and Merida to the south of it to ND as they are close enough to its territory to be productive and then we try to fight at Valencia keeping Murcia well behind enemy lines.

Remember that they must keep the fact that we may be marching a second offensive from our homeland down towards them. Which is something we should be working on as we now have them surrounded. Add that to the fact that Roleplay has a lot of troops they have to pay upkeep for. If we take all these cities and they can't pay for the upkeep as I suspect they have been using all their gold to rush units the units get disbanded.

	13-08-2003 07:06									#6
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I agree(this actually was my what I had in mind when I had us rush south). Either GS has to keep donating money to RP or they have to disband units, and as the pop of pampolana drops they will be even harder pressed. Also if any city is in danger we simply abandon it. I suggest we offer surrender terms when we get all these cities. Perhaps allow a RP exodus(though not on our continent). If GS likes them so much let them donate some land. This way we can quickly consolidate our forces and lay seize to the GS enclave(with the help of all those yummy catapults that RP will donate). I also am of the opinion that there will be no northern offensive by GS. Perhaps we can send our troops down. But of course I can't guarentee this. Regardless we will have 10 riders in the north soon(4turns with GA starting I think) and that will help much. Also if Lego can send 1 or 2 over we can start diverting troops south.(to have a total of 10 up north).
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	13-08-2003 07:37									#7
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I agree with Aggie, considering how many troops we have identified and located of GS I seriously doubt they have that much more to commit to a northern offensive. All our troops have been down here for awhile so they have to be expecting a second force.

I also felt an offer of cease fire and a shot at getting Roleplay to leave would be opportune but didn't think the rest of you would go for it. Still not sure if ND will go for it. If it is agreed, I suggest that we demand the enemy surrender their catapults to us.

	13-08-2003 08:16									#8
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I agree with the thinking that we abandon cities that we cant defend.
This may include the port city, because it is so close to GS.
Once we have taken the cities, I dont want to give RP or GS any chance in taking them back.

Regarding a ceasefire with RP..I too was thinking the same.
If they want to stay on Bob, conditions should include a trade embargo against GS, until GS leaves.

	13-08-2003 08:22									#9
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I don't see them surrendering to be an option, unless it comes with an agreement to leave Bob (but where? Estonia? GS would never agree). ND would never allow it.

	13-08-2003 08:41									#10
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Well before we get this idea even pushed, lets see the save. I am still nervous of a Ga attack(though I admit this is unlikely). More likely Gs will man the hill, e of us to prevent the pillage of that road. Either way, rp will not be able to start other knights or pikemen. My reason for allowing surrender was to prevent the final assault on pampolona, which will be costly to us and ND. Though we will be able to bring about 20 knights riders to attack it soon. Will that be enough to overwhelm it, then withstand the counter attack by GS. We need to get ND to build roads to the square outside of pompalona so we can quickly reenforce with pike. A real arguement exist to bring our other riders down. If we need to send them back we can do it with a city gift. Our goal is this, to quicky eliminate RP and then turn full onto GS. It might be worth the risk to bring them down to add to the attack force.
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	13-08-2003 19:43									#11
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Also keep in mind that we finish maybe 4 more riders in the next 4 or so turn (not sure of details) - we can afford to move some down there.