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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:30
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how do you people even know your family history past your great great grandfather? how could you possibly manage to find such info? i don't know anyone who can trace it past half-way through the 19th century
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mrmitchell
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Albert Speer, Europeans keep lots of family records...also, Europe was civilised for several hundred years. In America, it would be a lot harder to trace back to your great-great-grandfather because of lack of records, immigration, and simply moving around too much. European families were more likely to stay around for a while.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:30
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mrmitchell:
yeah i figured that... white people lost all contact with the old country when they immigrated between the mid 19th century and the mid 20th (and they often changed names making **** harder)... black people obviously wouldn't know their family history before 1865... so makes sense
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Bereta_Eder
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quote:
Originally posted by Albert Speer
how do you people even know your family history past your great great grandfather? how could you possibly manage to find such info? i don't know anyone who can trace it past half-way through the 19th century |
Well apparently word of mouth is still strong in remote places away from the urban centres . What happened was that my grandmother and part of her family left when she 11 months old from that place in the Peloponese. She hasn't ever gone back untill this summer.
When she told people there her maiden name they, mainly elder people of 85 years old or more, informed her of the details. She was born in that mansion that is now a museum, that much she knew.
Luckily the museum itself is dedicated to her family so they have already done the research and traced back the roots of this "house". Before the Peloponese they were at the Ionian islands and they, themselves, were the descendants of a Crusader, the name of which eludes me at present. Even before that they were nobles living in Italy, where that last name also exists.
They sort of treated her like a local god when she went there with my mother when they found out who she was. Apparently half the small city has the name of my grandmother's maiden name. The people took them away from the hotel they were staying and invited them (actually they wouldn't take no for an answer from what they told me) to stay at their houses, payed everything for them and they became the topic of conversation for the whole small city. It was the first time someone from that family ever visited this place they said.
We also have now a very old picture of my grandmother's grandmother, my great great grandmother. She looks aristocratic like, for sure and very beautiful. In that picture she doesn't wear the traditional scarf on the head that most women of that time wore but a different type of garment that looks a lot more refined. If I had a scanner I'd post it.
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Bereta_Eder
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About my father's side story, in the island where his father was born, which BTW I have visited and was surprised to see half of the street names of its capital having my last name, the story of that rich girl abandoning all her riches and of that poor boy not counting the dangers involved and them both running away and getting married is well known there. Must have made an impression. Again, surprisingly enough as far as coincidences go, there is also a room at the museum there dedicated to some old relative of mine from my father's side. Allegendly he was a minister of Justice or something in very old times. They had a portrait of him on the wall. Rather stern looking.
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Dr Strangelove
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I'm related to Lewis and Clark. I'd like to start receiving those royalties from the states of the Louisiana Purchase area. (I'm too lazy to name them all.)
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Bereta_Eder
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I know who Charlemagne was but not who Lewis and Clark were?
I also made a small mistake about my father's side. The royal family from which my great great grandmother run away from was Greek and had married Italian royals in the Ionian island. Formely they, along with others, had to escape from Athens, where they originated, because of some sort of prosecution and danger or because of poverty...? The reason is not clear and needs a bit of looking into. The boy, my great great grandfather was a Zakynthian..commoner I guess.
I also know that my grandfather's father from my mother's side had to escape from Constantinople because he run into some troubles with the law... Allegendly he was a big womanizer and a bit of a, well, underworld character I guess. He had 5 legitimate children, one was my grandfather and 8 illegitimate.
My father's grandmother hailed from Aigina, in the Aegean sea and practically owned the island untill her husband start selling off property. A very tall, haugthy person he was. I only saw him once or twice but I remember that.
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Bereta_Eder
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The Ionian islands were under Italian control (then British briefly, then Greek) under most of the Ottoman Empire's rule over Greece. I've never heard of the "Catholic Duchy of Athens" though. I doubt it lasted very long?
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Bereta_Eder
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Also I don't ever recall having a Catholic in the family. Quite the contrary actually.... I guess they converted to Orthodoxy pretty soon. (obligatory for orthodox/catholic marriages to take place)
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13-08-2003 05:40
) That's from my mother's side. 
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Telling paiktis to go kill all his relatives....
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