15-08-2003 02:32									#1
	Surrender Terms for RP Support Apolyton

I have PM'ed togas and have recieved a response that he will listen to our terms. what will be these terms.
Right now ND has said they will allow a demilitarized city in their territory. Any other items to add. I want their catapults.
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	15-08-2003 02:33									#2
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Attack GS?

Workers would be nice.

On a side note. Be wary. Togas, at least, has stated that he would rather die, doing as much damage as possible, than live as a vassal. Don't know if the situation has changed his mind, or if the team feels the same. I just don't trust him to hold up to much in terms of bargains.

Last edited by UnOrthOdOx on 15-08-2003 at 02:43

	15-08-2003 03:08									#3
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The surrender of ALL catapults on Bob, both Roleplay and GS.

They must exodus off Bob is a specified number of turns and so must GS.

	15-08-2003 03:15									#4
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Here is the suggestion of terms I have, Nd agreed to give them a demilitazied city. But the off bob option is also very good.
The general terms so far discussed(and to be honest, they haven't been discussed much and are still broad) are as follows
1) RP cease all offesive action against ND/GOW
2) RP gifts Barcelona to GOW/ND when that cities is safe from Gs.
3) ND will donate a city for RP to have
4) RP will allow ND/GOW to occupy their capital after a city has been gifted to them.
5) Forces in the capital will move out of it, to ward off GS until ND/GOW can sieze it.
6) Catapults of rp will be positioned in such a way to be seized by nd or GOW.
These terms are starting points and we will see how talks go. Nd has given general approval of these, but the final form must be approved by GOW and ND.

	15-08-2003 03:43									#5
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In chat with Togas. They will agree to nothing less than what they have now.
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	15-08-2003 03:48									#6
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They will not accept any terms such as above, they want to remain a significant force or go down in flames.
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	15-08-2003 05:53									#7
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Then down in flames they will go....

	15-08-2003 06:09									#8
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Lets reel them it for a bit. Make them think we and ND are seriously considering the peace treaty.

Ask if they would be willing to be neutral in the war between us and GS.

We have stretched ourselves somewhat thin and need time to consolidate before counter attacking. Thus making it harder for them to retake what we have. If we can con them into hesitating for a bit we will be in a much stronger position. I think we should start building Horsemen NOT Riders, we are only 2 turns from Invention and 6 turns from completing Leonardo's Workshop. We need to build Horsemen and money to mass upgrade them all for half price once we get Leonardo's.

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 15-08-2003 at 08:06

	15-08-2003 08:01									#9
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We should dance with them a little.

Allow them to keep what they have, but ...
They must remain Nuetral while we are at war.
ROP to all or none.

And no further military builds allowed....they can concentrate on expansion only.

They dont have horse or iron right ?
Then we tell them they cant have either of those two resources while we are at war with GS.
They can build 1 move spears/warriors/archers only.

And must stop trade with GS.
We will give them wine etc.

Thus.. they must separate from the GS alliance, and only watch while we tackle GS head on.

Once GS is removed from Bob, they can then connect Iron & Horse, and rebuild their military.

Again .. their survival is linked to getting GS off Bob.

Once GS is off Bob.. we can break the deal and kill RP

	15-08-2003 12:24									#10
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I think we should start building Horsemen NOT Riders, we are only 2 turns from Invention and 6 turns from completing Leonardo's Workshop. We need to build Horsemen and money to mass upgrade them all for half price once we get Leonardo's.

Ah... yeah! I have been saying this for the past 4-5 turns....

quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel Once GS is off Bob.. we can break the deal and kill RP

Man you/we are b@st@rds!