18-08-2003 17:03									#31
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From Darekill:

quote: 1. Salamanca is still yours. 2. This ist a picture to show our Positions. 3. Can you give me a list whom I shall send the turn. 4. GS offered us peace. How should we react? Do you have a proposal. 5. we will play the turn either late this evening in about 13-14 hours from now or early tomorrow morning about 21 to 22 hours from now. 6. anything else? Greetings

	19-08-2003 01:39									#32
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Ok I was seriously worried about Salamanca and the workers it protected. We also need to figure out a reaction to GS's proposal(I assume we will get the same offer). What terms for Cease Fire and Even peace. For peace I think we should accept nothing else except removal from our shores. Also notice that the spanish capital is in civil disorder. They have not a single lux. we need to make sure they don't reconnect to the GS area. Any specific ideas are appreciated.
Aggie

	19-08-2003 02:25									#33
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I agree with Aggie's peace thing. They need to get off of Bob.

	19-08-2003 02:26									#34
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Peace with GS: I would suggest that my original deal be offered.

They leave, we demil the coast, no cities that can act as a one turn harbor to Estonia from Bilbao to Barcelona.

Next, we agree to take out Lego together, why waste all three of our armies on each other when we all need to eventually head to legoland? Agree to allow them the majority of the land on Lego (not that I intend of keeping that part any longer after this ****).

Otherwise, a cease fire is in our benefit, but in theirs too...ours moreso, I would think.

I think they are more likely attempting to focus on us now, though, and making peace with ND. Above all else whatever is proposed from here on must be agreed to by both of us. Their goal is/should be devide ND and GoW at this point.

	19-08-2003 02:39									#35
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Observations from the save (opinions):

-We need to defend our stack of 3 workers. I say move Sirs Donegeallio and Ghengis to cover (for this turn)
-We have 2 more riders in the north. Bring them south through the Hill road to ND.
-Move Panzer, Bob, and Aromus in to cover Salamanca.
-Move Enamel and Ennet into Valencia
-Maybe gift Murcia to ND.
-Rush spear in Salamanca.
-Make sure the new mine by Camp Cod is used.


CoIA request: Camp Cod to build a worker for Republic use (Republic worker 4). Recommended Imeperial city switch use of game to new mine on grassland and let Camp Cod use the game.

	19-08-2003 02:41									#36
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quote: I think they are more likely attempting to focus on us now, though, and making peace with ND. Above all else whatever is proposed from here on must be agreed to by both of us. Their goal is/should be devide ND and GoW at this point.

Just to mention, GS did offer us peace too.

	19-08-2003 02:50									#37
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Any PM along with that?

	19-08-2003 02:52									#38
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not unless MZ got one.

I don't think ND got one either.

	19-08-2003 02:55									#39
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Did ND already play?

We should hold a mutual chat and see what their intentions are.

	19-08-2003 02:55									#40
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Looking at save we can finish leo's in 4. I'd really rather not reduce Camp cod's production by making a worker. I'd rather we either impliment the horseman production or just start on rider if we don't do that. I haven't looked at all the tile permutations though. Also I'd seriously consider sending those riders to protect coastal tiles(i intend to let GS land) to have a defense value and perhpas to north to counterattack if those boats have knights or other units(most likely). I wanted to send them south, but we really can't do that now. I suggest we leave 5 in north and next ten go south(since we have a path we can do this piecemeal, then the next 5 that get build go to full fill the 10 for the north. Still thse are just ideas.
Aggie

	19-08-2003 03:31									#41
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I just sent a PM to nye asking about the offer. Very noncommittal(a its the same either way to us tone). Interested to see what they have to say. when i find out i'll post the time for the meeting.
Aggie

	19-08-2003 03:46									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 Just to mention, GS did offer us peace too.

Who did they offer it to? They didn't send via Ambassadors I would have gotten it. I haven't seen the Emperor say anything about getting an offer? Haven't seen a post or pm posted.

From Darekill:

quote: Hi, there you go. Feel free to gift us the cities you don't want to hold. We will try to rush Pikes there. But make sure to keep Salamanca this could be an excelent base for the final assault on Pamplona. We rejected the peace offer of GS. Please tell me whom I don't need to send the turn anymore. I have already six names to recall right now.....

	19-08-2003 03:52									#43
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It's in the save. Thats why i really not particularly excited or interested. If they really wanted peace they would have pm'ed. I suspect they are, like us, just interested in seeing waht the other has to say(mainly to gauge weakness or strength).
Aggie

	19-08-2003 03:54									#44
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GS peace offer ...

Ask them to help us kill off RP.
They want us to waste our GA on killing RP, and not them. They are sleezeballs.

1. Tell RP that we have got peace offers from GS, and they are getting screwed. Reopen peace negotiation with RP. They get a coastal city, can rebuild their civ, and they have to embargo GS.
2. Tell GS, that they have to join in on the attack on RP. If they want peace, then they have to take the same risks as we do. This means co-ordinating our attack, and telling us exactly what forces they have & where.
Also tell them that ND & GoW are satisfied that RP has been culled enough, and we are going to begin to concentrate our forces on them.

Regs

	19-08-2003 03:56									#45
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Ghengis I also will reject it like this, just interested in what they want to say. It is possible(very,very unlikely) that thye have done the calculations swe have an see no way for anything other than a small enclave surviving on Bob.
Aggie

	19-08-2003 03:57									#46
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I dont have the save but regarding the RP workers...

Can we use them as bait to lure RP out ? (I have used this tactic before in PBEM's & SP)
Disband them for shields ?

Regs

	19-08-2003 04:23									#47
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Orders from the Magnificent Office of Consul of War (MOo CoW)

If we are declaring war on ND to cut the Iron, make sure to move Sir Rendah and Sir Samuel of Houston before doing so.
On ND's turn they need to offer and ACCEPT a Peace Treaty and Right Of Passage. We will be in the process of sending two Riders to reinforce the south.

1) Irradicate all numbers from the front of the names of our Noble Riders and navy.

2) Individual Orders for our Nobility:
Sir Ennet fortifies.
Sir Enamel moves E then fortifies.
Sir Aromus moves NE, N, N, then fortifies.
Sir UnOrthOdOx "the Chaos Conqueror of Meridia" fortifies.
Sir Panzer moves N then fortifies.
Sir Aggor "the Marshall of Salamanca" fortifies.
Sir Bob attacks the smelly Spanish Spearman to his SW.
Sir Donegeallio moves SW, SW, then S.
Sir Ghengis "the Not Involved in a Fight Last Turn" moves SW, SW, then S.
New Noblility:
The Hill's Rider is named Sir Rendah and moves SE, S, SW, S, S, E, S, then SE.
Camp Cod's Rider is named Sir Samuel of Houston and moves SE, SE, S, S, S, SE, S. SW, then S.

3) Individual Orders for our Armed Peasantry:
XXIInd Imperial Guard moves NE.

4) Individual Orders for our Navy:
Old Ironsides moves S, S, then S.

Comments
Suggest the three Roleplay Workers to the east of Salamanca build a road to connect it to our capital (will take 3 turns).

Suggest Salamanca be renamed "The Alamo."

Suggest Meridia work its Wheat tile only and the second pop be used as an Entertainer.

The Five Riders of the Apocolypse:
Sir Rodimus, Sir Hackalot, Sir Squid, Sir Bob Minor, and Sir Agent of Chaos continue to pick their noses.

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 19-08-2003 at 04:38

	19-08-2003 04:50									#48
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The orders looks good, but could I suggest that You and Donegeallio, go 1 more sw then south, so that the workers are covered. This is just in case Salamanca Falls. If it did the workers are screwed and we really need that road.
Aggie

	19-08-2003 05:07									#49
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Can we declare war ... (cutting the iron)
Then declare peace on the same turn ?

We are therefore not reliant on ND remembering to send us peace ... all they have to do is accept when they open the save.

Regs

	19-08-2003 05:12									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Aggie The orders looks good, but could I suggest that You and Donegeallio, go 1 more sw then south, so that the workers are covered. This is just in case Salamanca Falls. If it did the workers are screwed and we really need that road. Aggie

That's fine, but I don't see Salamanca falling with all the Riders we're fortifing in a Walled City on a Hill.

Make sure to kill off that Spearman with Sir Bob so Roleplay doesn't glimpse us building the road.

	19-08-2003 05:14									#51
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I believe we can. and that is currently my plan. does anybody want this to be a turn chat. I a available anytime today.
Aggie

	19-08-2003 05:24									#52
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I am thinking ...

Is it so bad if we accept GS peace ?
Was it sent preaccepted ?

We can play with RP minds ... See ...GS are offering peace !! Your allies are leaving you !!!

And if GS attack us... they are the ones declaring war, and they get war weariness.
And if we have to attack them .. who cares... we are already the aggressors.

So .. accept peace.

If GS contact us, ignore them.
After they play their turn .. then we send what our conditions are. They decline, but have to attack us instead.

Regs

	19-08-2003 06:11									#53
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ND already rejected it. GS has publicly stated they view any treaty they make us with us as trash.

	19-08-2003 06:40									#54
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Then at least publically thank GS for their offer of peace, but it is respectfully declined because their history of breaking treaties is not good.

ND got pissed at us because it looked like we weren't going to attack GS/RP

I suspect the same might happen with RP, if they know GS are putting peace on the table.

	19-08-2003 06:45									#55
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quote: Looking at save we can finish leo's in 4. I'd really rather not reduce Camp cod's production by making a worker. I'd rather we either impliment the horseman production or just start on rider if we don't do that. I haven't looked at all the tile permutations though

uhh... if you use the game tile I suggested it just grows back next turn

quote: Make sure to kill off that Spearman with Sir Bob so Roleplay doesn't glimpse us building the road.

Why not just cover the workers? Its a spearman on a mountain = 4 defense. We're not guaranteed a win by any stretch of the imagination...

	19-08-2003 07:03									#56
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Plans look good Panzer. I checked it. Actually I think we could send that worker and join him in that other city. that would get its pop to 3. But either way is fine. Also the reason for the attack on the spearman is to eliminate a view of our workers building the road. Lets let RP/GS think we have no roads there. Hopefully if the rider fails he will retreat and we'll put him in Salamanca instead. Then we finsih the job with you..
Aggie

	19-08-2003 07:07									#57
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Just got a Pm from Nye. seems this was a glitch they've had before. No offer of peace was intended. My reply was "good".
Aggie

	19-08-2003 08:00									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Aggie Just got a Pm from Nye. seems this was a glitch they've had before. No offer of peace was intended. My reply was "good". Aggie

What they do, is offer peace, and then they can see what resources/luxeries/tech we lack.
They just forgot to clear the table at the end.

They will be able to see us cutting our iron.

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	19-08-2003 09:05									#59
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Turn Report.
Moves made as ordered. Rider defeated spearman with 2 hp lose. now 2/4. Did move Hengis/Donegal on the workers instead. road done in 3, unless ghengis's chain gets int he way
Also I moved the MI in keifeng so that GS couldn't land to the NW(where we couldn't attack).
Rushed spear in Slaamanca(forgot to rename, will do next turn)
#'s off units
Dyes from Lego
Gave wines to lego
Declare war on ND, offered peace and ROPand wm. will give wines next turn.
Leo's in 4 turns and invention in 1.
Aggie

	19-08-2003 09:25									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel Then at least publically thank GS for their offer of peace, but it is respectfully declined because their history of breaking treaties is not good. ND got pissed at us because it looked like we weren't going to attack GS/RP I suspect the same might happen with RP, if they know GS are putting peace on the table.

Good plan I definitely think we should do this. Start a new thread titled GoW regrets to Decline GS's offer of Peace.

"After we were informed by our ally, Neu Demogyptica that they had decided to decline Gathering Storm's Peace Offer, we must also decline. We are committed to assisting our Arabian allies for better or worse."

This lets Roleplay know that GS offered peace to BOTH of us.