16-08-2003 19:21									#1
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Anyone else noticed this?

It's almost like it is done deliberately.

	16-08-2003 19:23									#2
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I got this one D-EJ360 (I always burn wavs to my CDs) and unless the MP3s origginaly come at aroun 99% of volume the volume on the CD player is nowhere near satisfaction.

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	16-08-2003 19:29									#3
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And everything is made in China these days. Even drills. I had to search to finally find German made ones.

	16-08-2003 19:41									#4
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If you're burning CDs you can set the normalisation level to be higher...

	16-08-2003 19:42									#5
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how do you do that BB? [/dumbarse]

	16-08-2003 19:43									#6
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That's the problem, I can't! Audiocatalyst is worthless as is MP3Gain when the volumes are really low...
If an MP3 comes with a 99% or so volume then it's ok. Anything less is painfully low volume and can't be altered with any program I've used... Instead of volume going up some random Decibels go up and if it is peak normalization it doesn't work

	16-08-2003 19:55									#7
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I've had this problem with Sony's MP3 player, I've just struggled through it though. I can wear it most of the time and hear just fine, but mowing the lawn with them on is out

	16-08-2003 19:58									#8
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I think it's deliberate. I have an old Sanyo portable CD player, without G protection or anythig like that, and you can literally blow your eardrums out with this thing.

I think the new ones are made this way so imbecile teenagers don't go def (sp?) after a week.

	16-08-2003 19:58									#9
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and they're expensive, as well.

	16-08-2003 19:59									#10
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No they're not. They are dirt cheap in fact. I got this one for just 81 euros. If you want MP3 playback they are a bit more expensive but not to the point of being not affordable.

	16-08-2003 20:07									#11
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The other ones are cheaper.

	16-08-2003 20:09									#12
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Yes, there are cheaper brands but I wanted a good brand for my new Cd player. They are not much cheaper though. About half the price. And I'd rather have a Sony than a agaoua silversadder cdplayer "hi teckonoly" brand.

CD/CDRW Mp3 players are not cheaper. They are about 30 euros more.

	16-08-2003 20:24									#13
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quote: I think the new ones are made this way so imbecile teenagers don't go def (sp?) after a week.

Is there an AVE (Auto Volume Limiter System) switch on the bottom? I've got one on a "Discman ESP2 Groove" that I keep around for use occasionally. If there is one, try setting it to Norm instead of Limit.

	16-08-2003 20:27									#14
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Yes there is one on the side. I have it disabled. If I have this one on the volume is ever lower. Much lower.

I'm talking low volume on some songs even without AVE and CD player's volume to 9+++ and one level of extra bass on.

I define low volume as in "the traffic noise can be heard"....

	16-08-2003 20:28									#15
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you're a brand-slave.

my blabla brand MP3 CD player cost me ~120 Euros, with this little screen thingee. Without the screen, a Panasonic one would cost ~90.

So it's not an easy choice. The MP3 reading part is a must, though.

	16-08-2003 20:31									#16
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Just want to get what I pay for.
Odd though, blabla brands are half price around here. Not more expensive and with more features than well known brands....

I don't want MP3 palyback. I burn all my CDs in wavs so I'm sure they'll play on every CD player (parties, friends, future car cd player etc)

	16-08-2003 20:42									#17
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My CD player is also my car CD player. I plug it with that cool gadget cassette.

	16-08-2003 20:50									#18
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Good for you! I always burn wavs though for reasons already said.

	16-08-2003 21:00									#19
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Not that MP3 playback isn;t good too. You can get 10 times or so the songs you'd have in wavs in an MP3 CD.
It's just a matter of preferance and what you'd want it for.

	16-08-2003 21:00									#20
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You could always change each Wav-file manually. With most wave editors this takes absolutely ages, but Nero has a built-in editor which is really fast and efficient at this kind of thing, might be worth checking out.

	16-08-2003 21:02									#21
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I already did try Nero too Buck, it didn't work.

	16-08-2003 22:00									#22
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I've totally abandoned CDs. I use an ipod, which I can play in the car with an adapter, and I buy my music through downloads now... If I can't find them on "cheaper" places...

	16-08-2003 22:05									#23
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i've also found that sony's don't stand up to the "clumbsy polack" factor i have over here.

	16-08-2003 22:37									#24
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Don't know what clumbsy polack means but I wonder if the volume thing is the same with other brands?


Oh and I said "dirt cheap" because you're only buying it once.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Don't know what clumbsy polack means but I wonder if the volume thing is the same with other brands? Oh and I said "dirt cheap" because you're only buying it once.

i tend to drop things (clumbsy), and polack is a slur on my own ethnicity (well, 25% of it, but my last name is polish)

	17-08-2003 01:54									#26
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Oh my God, people still use portable CD players??

	17-08-2003 02:06									#27
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Yes they do. Asher, do you happen to know of a MP3 or wav normalization program that actually works? for a change? Propably not but doesn't hurt to ask

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I don't know, my MP3 player normalizes automatically for me.

	17-08-2003 02:08									#29
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i didn't think it was the volume..i just thought i was loosing my hearing

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I'm not interested in normalization per se so much, my free MP3Gain can do that , but in programs that can actually boost MP3 volume to max allowed without distorting the sound.