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Bush administration recieving advice on the Apocalypse from televangelists? Suffering from ads?

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" Aug. 13 — Is the Bush administration turning to a televangelist doomsayer for political predictions? Apocalyptic preacher Jack Van Impe is claiming that he was contacted by Condoleezza Rice’s office and the White House Office of Public Liaison for an “outline” of his take on world events.



‘[President Bush] will know exactly what is going to happen in the Middle East and what part he will have under the leading of the Holy Spirit of God.’
— JACK VAN IMPE
VAN IMPE is the author of such books as “Israel’s Final Holocaust” and “The Great Escape: Preparing for the Rapture, the Next Event on God’s Prophetic Clock.”
He has predicted that the end of the world will strike somewhere between 2003 and 2012 and one reviewer has called his TV preaching show with wife Rexella “a fantastically loopy apocalyptic take on the week’s news.”
The issue of the alleged involvement with the Bush administration came up on his Web site when someone asked Van Impe, “Do you think that President Bush, apparently a Christian man, believes and knows he is involved in prophetic events concerning the Middle East and final battle between good and evil?”

“I believe he is a wonderful man,” Van Impe responded, and goes on to say, “I was contacted a few weeks ago by the Office of Public Liaison for the White House and by the National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice to make an outline. And I’ve spent hours preparing it. I will release this information to the public in September, but it’s in his hands. He will know exactly what is going to happen in the Middle East and what part he will have under the leading of the Holy Spirit of God. So, it’s a tremendous time to be alive.” "


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Rather interesting, don't you think?

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Oh dear god.... I'm waiting for the pentagon to develop the four horsemen!

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Bush is not plotting the Apocalypse or anything.

He was probably just curious to get Van Impe's thoughts on a few prophecy questions he had, just like any normal Christian would who was interested in Biblical prophecy.

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Besides, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Van Impe's interpretation of end time prophecy is not very good.

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Rather interesting, don't you think?


It would be if true, I'll wait for actual evidence Rice contacted this doomsayer.

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Fire and brimstone... excellent way of dealing with those pesky terrorists!

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Let's hope that at least the end of Jack Van Impe will happen somewhere between 2003 and 2012...

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I wish these news sources would stick to reporting news, not unverified gossip.

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Unverified gossip sells better; besides, when the people call in to complain about their sensationalization of the news, the networks can use that as definitive proof to advertisers that they have an audience.
Anyway, I wish the cynicism about Bush would make up its mind. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's a good president, but he can be a cold-blooded manipulative politician looking out for number one or he can be a mad zealot hopelessly obsessed with archaic ideals. It's pretty hard to be both.

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When I was a kid I went to a pentacostal church (aka a fire and brimstone cult) who thought Jack Van Impe was a good source of information. Scary stuff if Bush actually listens to him. He is a nut.

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Personally, I'll wait for a credible source of information before making judgement. I don't place much value on his veracity.

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I don't place much value on his veracity.


The funny thing is the Bible doesn't speak well of false prophets and this guy's track record in making predictions is quite pathetic.

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Bush administration recieving advice on the Apocalypse from televangelists?


Perfectly believeable. Don't forget that important events in the Reagan White House were scheduled on the advice of Joan Quigley, a San Francisco-based psychic.

Reagan and his wife were both very superstitious. The President was fascinated with UFOs, and allegedly had two sightings himself. References to UFOs popped up in a number of his speeches, usually in the context of humanity uniting against a threat from space. Some believe this was the true root of his advocacy of constructing a "star wars" defensive shield.

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You'd think that he'd go to a good one like Billy Graham and not someone like Van Impe. The man just strikes me as being freaky.

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Do any of you guys remember how Nacy Reagon was into astrology? Funny ****...

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The President was fascinated with UFOs, and allegedly had two sightings himself.


So did Carter. Well, it was just one sighting.

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carter's daughter messed with spiritualism also

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I remember watching Van Impe when I'd get home from working the late shift during my summer job. IIRC, he's been the predicting that the events of the Apocalypse would becoming any day now for quite a long time...he was certainly doing so back when I watched, which was almost 10 years ago. Where's the end times, Jack?

He's a joke. If anyone in the Bush Administration actually takes him seriously, they're a joke as well.

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now are the end times, if you think about it (same was true 10 years ago)

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Only another 4.5 billion years to go, right.

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but he can be a cold-blooded manipulative politician looking out for number one or he can be a mad zealot hopelessly obsessed with archaic ideals. It's pretty hard to be both.


What ideals?

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By "ideals" I refer to the right-wing obsession with the End Times.

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It's well known that Christian Fundamentalists only believe in supporting Israel because one day they will be smited in Armageddon.

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By "ideals" I refer to the right-wing obsession with the End Times.


OKay, in that case, you can be both.

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Besides, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Van Impe's interpretation of end time prophecy is not very good.


I wouldn't hold my breath for any of these prophecies

Actually, i wish these clowns would hold their breath until it happened They were wrong in 999, they were wrong in 1999, so now they expect us to believe that, as (bad) luck would have it, armageddon will come in the next 9 years?

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I wouldn't hold my breath for any of these prophecies

Actually, i wish these clowns would hold their breath until it happened They were wrong in 999, they were wrong in 1999, so now they expect us to believe that, as (bad) luck would have it, armageddon will come in the next 9 years?
What scares me, is that people in the White House seem hell-bent (no pun intended) on making Armageddon a reality.

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OKay, in that case, you can be both.


Not really. If Bush actually believed in Christianity on anything resembling a visceral level, his actions would be very different from what they are now. Going to Muslim services, for example. By most protestant standards that I know of, as well as Catholic and Orthodox ones, that's a big no-no. He did it anyway, because he balanced the need to appear as goody churchboy in the eyes of the right against the need to avoid animosity against the muslim community after 9/11, decided the latter was a greater concern for whatever reason, and did it. You cynic types have a number of basic pseudo-stereotypical tenets, but one that seems to be largely true is that idealism doesn't last long in politics, and neither does gullibility. If he invited Mr. Endtimes at all, it was probably a publicity stunt to salute america and apple pie and all the other whitebread values he stands for. Nothing new.

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Actually, i wish these clowns would hold their breath until it happened They were wrong in 999, they were wrong in 1999, so now they expect us to believe that, as (bad) luck would have it, armageddon will come in the next 9 years?


According to the Bible, as I interpret it anyway, when Jesus' followers asked him how they could tell if the "end time" was approaching, he didn't tell them, "don't worry", it'll be 2,000+ years in the future". He told them certain things would happen before their generation passed away. But that hasn't stopped virtually every generation of Christians since that time making dire predictions of the end time occuring in their lifetimes. And it would seem the "prophetic" parts of the NT dealing with Armageddon were about the seige of Megiddo...

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You don't understand.

A person who actually believes in Armageddon is mad, insane, demented. However, just because he's crazy in that particular area doesn't mean he can't be normal otherwise.

Serial killers are like that. I am not saying Boosh is a serial killer, they are just examples of how persons can be insane in one small aspect, but absolutely normal otherwise.

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Oh yeah, Bush can call himself a Christian, but I don't consider him very religious. Even Ashcroft put his hand on the Bible and invoked God when promising to uphold the Constitution and he's been trashing it for years.

 
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