17-08-2003 13:56									#1
	Official seal: US is fascist! (both joke and non-joke) Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

I am fascinated with symbols, emblems and seals.

And then I noticed the US senate seal. Cool huh?

But guess, what, it has a clear fascio - the sign that represented fascism and it's idea (unity, state above all, militarism)

And I also noticed it features an unclear red hat which is either a communist cap, or belongs to santa claus. very very wierd.

I read the history page, but didn't notice they made reference to the fascio.

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	17-08-2003 14:03									#2
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Look into E Pluribus Unum.

Then note the size and location of the olive branches in relation to the faschio.

	17-08-2003 14:35									#3
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What is the symbolism of olive branches?

	17-08-2003 14:35									#4
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The cap got to be the Phrygian cap or cap of liberty, also later used by French revolutionaries. Don't know exactly why that cap was chosen as a symbol.

	17-08-2003 14:36									#5
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Your avatar is very distracting, Mr. Sirotnikov.

"E Pluribus Unum" means . . . something like "Unity in Diversity"?

	17-08-2003 14:37									#6
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quote: Originally posted by geeslaka What is the symbolism of olive branches?

Triumphant/victory
Victorious athletes got it, but also roman generals during triumphal marches.

	17-08-2003 14:42									#7
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AI checked out, atually the phrygian cap/liberty cap was first used in France by Jacobites and came to the US only in the last years of the 18th century.

	17-08-2003 15:14									#8
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IIRC, the phrygian cap was worn by liberated slaves in ancient Greece.

Curiously enough, the fascio is used in some French Republic's symbols too. For example, the French passport displays a big fascio:

	17-08-2003 15:23									#9
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quote: But guess, what, it has a clear fascio

No, not has... It is a fiasco...

	17-08-2003 19:27									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor IIRC, the phrygian cap was worn by liberated slaves in ancient Greece.

Sure, that was it.

	17-08-2003 20:19									#11
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I thought the red cap has to do with Little Red Riding Hood

	17-08-2003 20:20									#12
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Definitely Santa.
(I don't know)

	17-08-2003 20:21									#13
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lol @ your avatar

	17-08-2003 20:26									#14
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Woof!

	17-08-2003 20:38									#15
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The link:

quote: In the eighteenth century, the fasces received a second life, when the young United States and republican France started to use ancient Roman symbols. Both were progressive revolutionary nations that imitated the Roman republican constitution.

	17-08-2003 20:43									#16
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The fascio was not invented by the fascists but by the Romans. It was a symbol of power held by the lictors (power to punish and to kill).

	17-08-2003 21:18									#17
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American symbols and such can at times be very roman. Take many of its buildings and the names of those, capitol hill for example. Fascism and nazism also found a a lot of inspiration in the roman empire. Teh raised hand for example. The reasons are, however, not the same in most cases. I guess there's a difference between a republic and an empire.

	17-08-2003 21:37									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III Triumphant/victory Victorious athletes got it, but also roman generals during triumphal marches.

The olive branches were and still are a symbol of peaceful intents.

Victors and winners were awarded a crown of laurels leafs.

	17-08-2003 21:41									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. President "E Pluribus Unum" means . . . something like "Unity in Diversity"?

out of many, one.

	17-08-2003 22:24									#20
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I thought that the fascio was used in Roman times to call the court into order by rapping the handle on the floor three times. Is it not then a symbol of lawful rule?

	17-08-2003 22:25									#21
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people get all *****y when some horrible group of people steal a historic symbol and use it as their own. case in point the swastika.

	17-08-2003 22:48									#22
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A-hah! Jsut what I always suspected! The US are part of the world fascist alliance together with the Swedish police.

	17-08-2003 23:01									#23
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Sweden? Blech!

	18-08-2003 02:09									#24
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by the way, what's up with the masonic symbols, eg the pyramid and the eye on the dollar bills?

	18-08-2003 02:09									#25
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by the way, what's up with the masonic symbols, eg the pyramid and the eye on the dollar bills?

	18-08-2003 11:29									#26
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I guess those were pretty fashionable at that time too. The French revolution used them as well

	19-08-2003 01:05									#27
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT Victors and winners were awarded a crown of laurels leafs.

again. What's happening to me these days? Must be the heat. Not the only stupid thing I told in the last couple of days...