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Prince
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Jul 2002
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Demographic Analysis - Turn 1 to Turn 105 Got spare money?

1. Land Area
Formulae : (Source : Area X) 100 square miles = 1 territory tile (including sea tiles)

Observation : We have been in Last position (8th) for a long time, as recent as Turn 80. In the last 20+ turns, we have leaped from #8 to #4, ie bigger than one of the civilisation in the Lost Continent. Well Done. Great work by our Foreign Affairs team to get us out of trouble & get those free cities from CDG.




2. Population
Formulae : Sum(i=1..N) {Pop in City(i)}
Pop in City = {Sum (j=1..(City Size)) {j} + (Food in Storage) / (Storage Size)} * 10000

Observation : Our population growing steadily. We are now 3rd.



More to come : Military Services, GNP, Literacy. Some will be done after Republic, some are not required until Modern Age.

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3. Military Services

Formulae : (Number of Military Units with Attack > 0) / (Total Number of Citizens) * 10

Observation : Our Military Service score has dropped in the last 5-10 turns. But our ranking is still quite good, I hope we catch up once we are in Republic and getting ready into War.

Base on the formulae, our Population is increasing faster than we build military units. But this score does not differentiate the quality of the attacking units.

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4. Literacy

Formulae : (Citizens who live in a city with a Library + Citizens who live in a city with a University + Citizens who live in a city with a Research Lab) / 3 / (Total Number of Citizens) * 100% + (3% if Literature discovered)
The following wonders count as Library, University and Research Lab: Great Library, Newton's, SETI Program, Theory of Evolution, Cure for Cancer, Internet.
The following small wonders count as half a wonder: Apollo Program, Intelligence Agency.

Observation :
1. We got Literacy on Turn 89. The first civilisation got theirs on Turn 76.
2. Some unexplained movement in ranking from turn 100 to 103. Possible that civilisations in the other continents lost their libraries while GCA (or CFC, unlikely though) built them.

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5. Gross National Product
Formulae : 1 million = 1 Commerce (before corruption)

Observation : Steady growth. We have been 3rd for a long time .... Let's go for 2nd !



6. Annual income (# per capita)
Formulae : 1 + (Number of available Strategic and Luxury Resource Types) + (1 if you have a trade route)

Observation : to be analysed after we go into Republic

7. Productivity (#)
Formulae : (Total Shields) - (Total Waste) + (Total Commerce) - (Total Corruption) + (Net Total Food)

Observation : to be analysed after we go into Republic

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Prince
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Others placeholder.

These demographics are not too relevant now, and are not analysed. If anybody wants me to do it, I am pleased to comply

8. Approval Rating (%)
Rounddown (50% + ((Number of happy citizens) - (Number of unhappy citizens)) / (Total number of citizens) / 2 * 100%)

9. Disease (%)
Formulae : (Number of Floodplains + Jungle in territory) / (Total Number of territory tiles) * 100%

Observation : we are in the middle of the xsf@#! jungle, what do you expect !

10. Pollution (tons)
Formulae : 1 ton = 1 polluted territory tile

11. Life Expectancy (# of years)
Formulae : 20 + {(Citizens who live in a city with a Granary + Citizens who live in a city with a Aqueduct + Citizens who live in a city with a Hospital) / 3 / (Total Number of Citizens) * 80}

12. Family Size (# of children)
Formulae : Max {1, (Net Total Food) / (Number of Cities) / 2}

That's all folks.

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Sep 2002
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Nice work

I'll have more time to look at this closely later. As for initial comments, just a tiny nit pick (sorry...):

Why is the x-axis backwards?

Panzer32 is offline Panzer32
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Oct 2002
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...si taht thgir ot tfel daer uoy fi sdrawkcab


Exactly Also, look at my country flag

Seriously, the reason is my data was entered in the spreadsheet that way, so I can always see the latest turn data beside the description without freezing the panels.

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Apr 2002
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What about MFG?

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5. Gross National Product
Formulae : 1 million = 1 Commerce (before corruption)

Observation : Steady growth. We have been 3rd for a long time .... Let's go for 2nd !

In another turn we'll be 1st, I guarantee it.

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GA?

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GA?

No, one team is around 100 GNP, another is at about 92. When we become Republic we'll jump to 130, which is 1st by a pretty large margin.

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Yes, we will surprise the hell out of the other teams when they try to figure how far ahead of them we jumped and they can't do it!

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Once we get to GA things get really fun.

250 GNP and 150 MFG. Excellent.

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Feb 2002
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Cool
The other teams will be very amazed!

BTW: Good work rush.

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Things shift away from us pretty quick once the other continent gets Republic though. With their current GNP numbers... they'd probably jump to 180 or so. Well outside of our range.

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aha but thats where our GA comes in

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Yes, I will do Mfg after we are through to Republic.

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aha but thats where our GA comes in


Your post got me thinking about the "probable" War in the other Continent, whether they have triggered GA ....

1. Probable War Victim #1 - Grenouilles
They are the French, their VV is Musketters, and need Saltpetter. It does not surprise me that the others may want to attack them before they get to Gunpowder.

2. Probable War Victim # 2- Firaxis
They are the Egyptians, their VV is War Chariott, which is already past their "prime". But if they go into War now, they should be able to nevertheless triger a GA. But of course GA does not necessary help their cause, just look at CDG.

3. Probable War Predator # 1 - Webringens
They are the Arabs, right ? (see i don't have PTW) Their VV is the Ansar Warrior. Ansar Warrior replaces Knight. So, that means their Tech is Chivalry. Chivalry is within 1-2 Techs reach of the Webringens. So, they could get their GA towards the end of the War, or they may decide not to trigger it until they move into Republic.

4. Probable War Predator # 2 - CGN
They are the Ottoman. Sipahi is their VV, replaces Calvary. It's a long time before anybody gets to Military Tradition. Unlikely to have trigger GA.

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Can we determine from the "Disease" statistic whether other civs are near the equator of the planet?

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Unlikely, BFM.

9. Disease (%)
Formulae : (Number of Floodplains + Jungle in territory) / (Total Number of territory tiles) * 100%

Observation :

Turn 33, We ventured into Jungle territory and founded Mingapulco, disease shot up from 0% to 15%. and our ranking dropped from joint #1 (with 0% disease) to #8. That means no STARTING CITY has jungle/flood plain in their expanded culture squares.

Turn 38, Disease shot up to 26%, we found Bananatopia.
Turn 65, our ranking improved from #8 to #7. CDG founded Alcahol.
Turn 94, our ranking dropped back to #8, disease up to 31%, after CDG gifted us the 2 cities.
Turn 103, we are back at #7. But we are LAST, CDG is history.

Our ranking changes only from #7 to #8 and to #7, I don't think we can determine if any other Civilisatons are around the equator.

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That means no STARTING CITY has jungle/flood plain in their expanded culture squares.


Well, there you have =something=. Also, as our jungle goes down, we can watch this statistic closely. We should know the values for CFC and GCA. If our ranking improves while we haven't passed the CFC of GCA values, we can determine a value for a lost civ. This gives at least some clue about their location.

So workers - take down the jungle!!

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So workers - take down the jungle!!


Burn, baby, Burn....

E_T

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