18-08-2003 16:33									#1
	POll: Government Increase Your PM Length

This poll is to decide upon, which government style we will use during the MoO2-game itself (nothing to do with our DG, this is by default Democracy )

We had the following options:

50 : Dictatorship / 0
30 : Feudal / -4
40 : Uni / +6


Keep in mind that Uni is only an option if you vote repulsive in the other thread!!!!! Otherwise, it wouldn't be possible anymore as we can only get a maximum of -2 points with spying!!

This poll will have 4 options:

Dictator
Feudal
Uni
Abstain

	19-08-2003 03:37									#2
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Again, I voted for Uni, but I don't understand picking a gov before you have any other traits. Feudal is a trait that does not go with just any ole picks.
Sorry for being a pain.

	19-08-2003 18:30									#3
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 Again, I voted for Uni, but I don't understand picking a gov before you have any other traits. Feudal is a trait that does not go with just any ole picks. Sorry for being a pain.

As we have to many picks left, we have to try to narrow the selection down. I though, picking the government 'first' will help trying to narrow down for further selection.........

The only negative traits we have included in the list are,

Dictator (-4), repulsive (-6) and -20%Ship def (-2). So if we now decide against Dictator and in the other poll against repulsive, we would only have at most 2 extra points for race-picks.
That was the reason why I went down this path. Somewhere we had to start to eliminate picks...........

	19-08-2003 20:42									#4
	Remove this text

Why no democracy?

	19-08-2003 20:51									#5
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

It was not voted for in the previous poll, so we won't include it further.

	19-08-2003 21:12									#6
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Who voted for Spying? We are dropping our Spying ability for more choice points aren't we?

	19-08-2003 21:14									#7
	Full PM-box? Change here!

quote: Originally posted by Gilgamensch The only negative traits we have included in the list are, Dictator (-4), repulsive (-6) and -20%Ship def (-2). So if we now decide against Dictator and in the other poll against repulsive, we would only have at most 2 extra points for race-picks. That was the reason why I went down this path. Somewhere we had to start to eliminate picks...........

I presume you mean Feudal. Its all in fun, so anyway you want to do it is fine.

	20-08-2003 08:07									#8
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Why no democracy?

We decided we were all Tyrants at heart.

	20-08-2003 12:51									#9
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 I presume you mean Feudal. Its all in fun, so anyway you want to do it is fine.

I was so happy when Apoly was back up again, that I think I was to quick again

But, YES IT IS ABOUT FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!

	20-08-2003 18:28									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I was looking at all the posts recently & I think that we're getting close to wanting to sit down & play.

To do that we may want to simplify some of the decisions -- both now & later. If we go with the creative subbies (14 points so far) adding uni puts us at 20 -- done for the positive side. Uni strips out a couple of latter decisons (even as creative does as well.) So I voted for Uni.

Having a repulsive downside simplifies later negotiation decisions -- which may be a plus for our first democracy game. If we are creative, then spying is less of a need, and repulsive is less of a minus (reduced need for negotiating for techs). So we should put up a disad poll soon.

	20-08-2003 19:07									#11
	Got spare money?

Give me feudal with it's additional four picks. I've never seen much advantage with different government types anyway.

	20-08-2003 22:18									#12
	Get a bigger avatar today!

If you just want your full 10 minus picks you can do it will a lot less pain than Feudal. Rep, -GC, -SA is completely without pain for Creative race as they do not need to trade for tech or steal it.
To me Feudal is all about blitz, if you do not intend to go all out to take down other races, you have no use for Feudal. In fact, I would only use it with Tele and try to finish the game in about 75 turns. Not really a fun game.

	21-08-2003 09:33									#13
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb We decided we were all Tyrants at heart.

That's the answer I was looking for

[Yeah, I voted dictatorship as well]

	21-08-2003 09:36									#14
	Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 To me Feudal is all about blitz, if you do not intend to go all out to take down other races, you have no use for Feudal.

Indeed. If you can't exploit the Fedual advantage very early to have a very large fleet and lots of colonies, you're going to lose out because of the massive penalities in research.

	21-08-2003 14:50									#15
	Tired of ads?

last time I checked we had 4/3/3 votes, damned close...............

	21-08-2003 21:03									#16
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Feudal does offer some advantages, and I did vote for it, but if its a tie though I'd like to switch that vote to uni.

	21-08-2003 21:04									#17
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Oh and demo is really only good with lithovore or aqua/+bc, neither of which we picked it looks like.

	21-08-2003 21:20									#18
	Support Apolyton

I think that was my whole point. You have to make the key pick first and then go with what works with that pick. Demo/Lith go together well.
I am not so concerned about what is the key pick, but sticking random traits together is not likely to come up with a good race. Some like Feudal and Warlord require specific traits to be effective.