21-08-2003 00:34									#1
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Got done reading Tom Clancy's latest helping. It still takes place in the Jack Ryanverse, but Jack Ryan is no longer President, Robbie got popped by a KKKer because it looked like he was gonna be the next prez, and Ed Kealty (the Rapist-sleazeball) is now President. Goody.

It's mostly from the viewpoint of Jack Ryan, Jr. Who has joined "The Campus", an anti-terror group Jack Senior set up with and offshore account, they aren't even in the budget. It's also from the viewpoint of two new charecters, Junior's Cousins, a Force Recon Marine and FBI agent.

Anywho, this is a mostly anti-terror novel. Al-Qaeda cuts a deal with the Columbian Cartel; If they help them get folks into the US, Al-Qaeda(or whovever) will help get drugs into Europe. Four Terrorist teams sneak in, and shoot up for different malls across the country, most in middle-america suburbs.

I won't tell how it ends, but it's obvious there are going to be more novels with this group along these lines. It's also worth noteing that the patched up Israeli problem has been derailed in this universe, and the 9/11 attacks did happen.

	21-08-2003 00:48									#2
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Sorry, I quit reading that stuff a long time ago, after he had a psycho Japanese pilot fly a 747 into the Capitol to make out-of-work intelligence analyst Jack Ryan into the God-Emperor of the USA.

	21-08-2003 00:51									#3
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God, it sounds like such a ripoff of Alan Moore's "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" - and I mean the comic book, not that travesty of a movie with old "who's the man dog now" fella.

	21-08-2003 00:58									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar It's also worth noteing that the patched up Israeli problem has been derailed in this universe

I thought that they settled that in the Sum of All Fears. What happened?

	21-08-2003 01:00									#5
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Fear Itself came along and trumped the sum.

Hi everybody!!

	21-08-2003 01:06									#6
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I thought that they settled that in the Sum of All Fears. What happened?

There's a passing reference to a suicide bomber when Junior is listening to NPR.

Also, the refer to the Iraqis as "Recently liberated" by unbelievers, even though it takes place about 6 yrs after the war with the UIR.

	21-08-2003 01:10									#7
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What?

	21-08-2003 01:13									#8
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quote: Originally posted by st_swithin What?

I said...CTP SUCKED! I COULD PROGRAM A BETTER GAME ON MY TI-83!!!

	21-08-2003 01:28									#9
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Did you hear me arguing with you?

	21-08-2003 01:30									#11
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Not a big fan of Clancy novels, movies are ok, not going to waste my time... Might as shet in a bag and sell it as art, as far as I'm concerned...

	21-08-2003 01:30									#12
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Although, to be honest, I have a TI-83Plus.

	21-08-2003 01:31									#13
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Well, Clancy novels beat CtP anyway!

	21-08-2003 01:33									#14
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they both blow

	21-08-2003 01:34									#15
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Dom Pedro is correct.

	21-08-2003 01:41									#16
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Rodger, I'm out.

Houston, the problem has left the building.

	22-08-2003 05:21									#17
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Roger roger

	22-08-2003 06:28									#18
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*statc*

Anyway's, the e-mail came in saying the libraries holding it. I used to love Tom Clancey novels, but re-reading them too many times has them loose their appeal.

	22-08-2003 09:04									#19
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Can't go wrong with Stephen King. I've read EVERYTHING he's ever written, and I loved every single book. He's both the most prolific AND prodigious writer of ALL TIME.

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	22-08-2003 09:25									#20
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did he move to Jr. because his ex-wife that he screwed around on owns Sr?

I haven't read Red rabbit nor this new one, not sure I will. After that net-force, op-center, whore out my name for another author, I've soured. And I like action, not some right wing political intrigue book.

Give me RSR anyday. It might be a bit outdated now, but its far better than the last few I read.

	22-08-2003 09:27									#21
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Why, Mr. Rabbit!

	22-08-2003 09:33									#22
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I liked the gunslinger seires alright no tenough to buy them though

the clancy books can be alright also, I acknowldege thety can be fun

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	22-08-2003 09:54									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Andrew1999 Sorry, I quit reading that stuff a long time ago, after he had a psycho Japanese pilot fly a 747 into the Capitol to make out-of-work intelligence analyst Jack Ryan into the God-Emperor of the USA.

[inside joke]

Will you people just stop complaining about God Emperor of Dune? It wasn't that bad of a book!

Really!



[/inside joke]

	24-08-2003 01:06									#24
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YES, GOD EMPEROR OF DUNE REALLY WAS THAT BAD.

	24-08-2003 04:08									#25
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No, It Wasn't

	24-08-2003 04:23									#26
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I don't believe your stick is as big as my stick. Do you want to put that theory to the test?

	26-08-2003 04:29									#27
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel did he move to Jr. because his ex-wife that he screwed around on owns Sr?

Red Rabbit had (a younger) Jack Sr. They reason why he moved away is he's pretty much done all he can do with the Charecter (The guy's President for Jeez's sake)

	26-08-2003 05:14									#28
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I've finally finished reading it. My question is HOW DID HE PERSUADE SO MANY PEOPLE TO BUY HALF A BOOK??

"Teeth of the Tiger" contains half of what all the other books contain. There is no magestic ending, Jack Sr. doesn't meet Jack Jr., etc. And I hate the fact that he tries to make up for it by saying EVERY FRICKIN' MANTRA TWICE! . If you haven't bought it yet, don't. Waste of perfectly good money.

	26-08-2003 05:58									#29
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quote: Originally posted by st_swithin I don't believe your stick is as big as my stick. Do you want to put that theory to the test?

Ok everyone, time to show your sticks so we can see who has the biggest one. Excuse me while I whip this out.


I used to like Clancy novels, but the whole Ryan mythology soon wore out its welcome.

	26-08-2003 08:44									#30
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quote: Originally posted by MattH I've finally finished reading it. My question is HOW DID HE PERSUADE SO MANY PEOPLE TO BUY HALF A BOOK?? "Teeth of the Tiger" contains half of what all the other books contain. There is no magestic ending, Jack Sr. doesn't meet Jack Jr., etc. And I hate the fact that he tries to make up for it by saying EVERY FRICKIN' MANTRA TWICE! . If you haven't bought it yet, don't. Waste of perfectly good money.

Well, did you look at the thing before you bought it? It comes in easily at 1/2 the size of the standard Clancy tomes (a trend that started with the previous book), and doesn't compensate by making the fonts and margins smaller - imho, I think that Clancy uses the largest fonts and margins of any mainstream writer. It is because this book is so small that I won't shell out $20 for it.