21-08-2003 07:27									#1
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Or is it vanilla skies?


In any case this film completely FREAKED ME OUT! And I have seen lots of films.

It's not just because of its originality, it ranks mediocre in that domain. It is the whole of its sums that's so freaky. And the acting of course was one of its strongest points but it also touched on the quadressential human cornerstone of finding the ideal other half and then loosing it. Which isn't an original concept either, it's been done quite a few times. But this film collaborated everything in such a freaky outcome and way.

I puke all over its inherent conservatism which constitutes its main "moral teaching" but that's Hollywood, entrapped in a pathetic middle ages "christian" fundamentalist perception of "good" and evoooil", but that, ironically adds TOO to its I would dare say unique freakness instead of providing a good cop out of sleaziness out of its entrapment.


A freakingly "good" film.

	21-08-2003 07:33									#2
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Competes with The Believer for first place in that domain although The Believer manages to slightly surpass it.

	21-08-2003 07:36									#3
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Awesome, awesome, AWESOME movie with a wonderful twist accomplishing much less a tacky Appearance vs. Reality motif than the Matrix babbled

I also find myself thinking along the same lines as Tom Cruise' character in the film - simply wanting the world around me to "SHUT THE **** UP"

...and the imaginary sex with Penelope Cruz is getting more and more frequent, whether or not I try to change things

	21-08-2003 07:54									#4
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It was an enjoyable flick... not what I expected, and that pleased me.

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I haven't seen the Hollywood version, so I cannot comment on Vanilla Sky, but I liked Open Your Eyes. It didn't have the finding your perfect half then losing it stuff that you're talking about. If Vanilla Sky added that part then

	21-08-2003 09:16									#6
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It was good. I hated it the first half and loved it the second half. And it shits all over wimpy Euros.

	21-08-2003 09:27									#7
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Yeah, it's a good film in its freakiness. As they say, there is truth but no logic. And Penelopa Cruz ... Perhaps the biggest crush on an actress I ever had after seeing a movie.

	21-08-2003 10:23									#8
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that movie is my life, and i just haven't died yet...

but in all seriousness, i loved the movie, and it is one of the most important movies in my own relationship

	21-08-2003 10:24									#9
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Yep, better than I expected it to be.

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did anyone else think it was going to be a murder mystery from the trailers?

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After seeing a few trailers... I had no clue what it was

Wouldn't even have seen it except for my wifes sister highly recommended it.

	21-08-2003 10:33									#12
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never saw it... but you know what else was pretty freaky? 12 Monkeys... to think that crazy homeless people are messengers from the future coming to warn us of doomsday...

	21-08-2003 12:55									#13
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Clan Douglas.

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I saw it and I hated the first part, the second was okay, but I couldnt stand that stupid TC presenting his damn smile every 5 seconds.

TCO, just out of interest in what way is this connected to "whimpy Euros"

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I didn't like it. Weird movie without a point, unclear plot, unresolved, confusing to the viewer. The girls are cute but the whole atmosphere is a bit gloomy so in total on a one to ten scale I would give this movie a one.

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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa TCO, just out of interest in what way is this connected to "whimpy Euros"

He means the Hollywood remake is much better than the European original.

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Which it wasn't, though it was a decent effort.

	21-08-2003 16:49									#18
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how the **** can anyone say that vanila sky was better than the spanish original! seriously TCO have you not seen the original?

i'll admit that it was an achievment to take an amazing film and turn it into a tacky hollywood pile of shite. :/

	21-08-2003 17:15									#19
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Damnit. It's a REMAKE?

Then I'll make sure to watch the original one. If history teaches us anything is that the European Originals are 10 times better than the Hollywood japanese remakes.
Thanks.

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Yeah, damn those Hollywood japanese!

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For any interested in testing GP's statement, the original is, perhaps fittingly, called "Open your eyes", or "Abre los ojos".

	21-08-2003 17:49									#22
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney how the **** can anyone say that vanila sky was better than the spanish original! seriously TCO have you not seen the original? i'll admit that it was an achievment to take an amazing film and turn it into a tacky hollywood pile of shite. :/

Didn't know there was an original. I will check it out. Maybe the good thing was seeing the lesser movie first allowed me to enjoy it.

	21-08-2003 17:50									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa I saw it and I hated the first part, the second was okay, but I couldnt stand that stupid TC presenting his damn smile every 5 seconds. TCO, just out of interest in what way is this connected to "whimpy Euros"

No way. I just like to tease that curly Schismatic.

	21-08-2003 18:23									#24
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I watched THE MATRIX for the first time, last night.

	21-08-2003 18:33									#25
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This is one of my wife's favourite movies.

Should that bother me......?

	21-08-2003 19:55									#26
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NO. Get her to see the Spanish original. It's better. It has Penelope in the same role as well.

	21-08-2003 20:16									#27
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So Tom Cruise stole from the Spanish original not only the idea, but also Penelope... What a b@st@rd!

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Vanilla Sky is about 80% the same as "Abre los ojos" The 20% difference makes the Spanish original better, even if the production values are less.

Why not keep Penelope? I would.

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quote: Originally posted by TCO No way. I just like to tease that curly Schismatic.

I'm not curly you mustache supressed american catholic minority latent stereotypical catechism sunday school boyscout cro-magon my world ends in Alabama submarine.

OK, I don't understand people's fascination with Penelope Cruz although I guess she was preferable to the other psychotic iceberg.

	21-08-2003 21:08									#30
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Vanilla Sky is about 80% the same as "Abre los ojos" The 20% difference makes the Spanish original better, even if the production values are less.

Well, I guess, I would like to see the original.

quote: Why not keep Penelope? I would.

Of course. I just meant that Tom Cruise certainly has a good taste, unlike Paiktis.