08-09-2003 22:58									#31
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quote: Mind you, a lot of these "virgins" do everything but intercourse.

Well, then they're only technically virgins, you know what I mean...

	09-09-2003 07:50									#32
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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man political correctness is the start of 'new speak'.

It's not political correctness that produces newspeak- it's 'political' bullsh!t that does. And 'political' euphemisms used by the military, corporate entities, politicians, spin doctors- garbage like 'collateral damage'- oh, don't you mean dead people?

	09-09-2003 07:54									#33
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Pop quiz

A "premature impact of plane with terrain" is:

a. Crash
b. on-time flight
c. emergency landing
d. bush wet his pants

	09-09-2003 12:20									#34
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Anybody using New-Speak? Double-plus-good?

	09-09-2003 15:50									#35
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom It's not political correctness that produces newspeak- it's 'political' bullsh!t that does. And 'political' euphemisms used by the military, corporate entities, politicians, spin doctors- garbage like 'collateral damage'- oh, don't you mean dead people?

Doubleplusgood point. There's a whole host of media-sanitised terms used to describe modern slaughters. Some of them are simply the truth in plain sight so nobody will notice, for instance 'Targeted Bombing' often blasts away civilians cowering in shelters, journalists and hospitals. (The West of course never admits it's use of terror tactics to demoralise 'enemy' civilian populations to it's own squeemish voting public).

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quote: Originally posted by problem_child Doubleplusgood point. There's a whole host of media-sanitised terms used to describe modern slaughters. Some of them are simply the truth in plain sight so nobody will notice, for instance 'Targeted Bombing' often blasts away civilians cowering in shelters, journalists and hospitals. (The West of course never admits it's use of terror tactics to demoralise 'enemy' civilian populations to it's own squeemish voting public).

You shouldn´t say that it "often blasts away civilians cowering in shelters, journalists and hospitals"

Just use the Term:
It sometimes produces collateral Damage

	09-09-2003 16:02									#37
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quote: asian is now "unwhite", and black is now "doubleplusunwhite".

That post is far better than this **** thread deserves.

	09-09-2003 16:08									#38
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How can you say this thread's ****? Your country is the western country where the most freedoms are currently being eroded.

	09-09-2003 16:13									#39
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quote: Your country is the western country where the most freedoms are currently being eroded.

Bollocks. France is a hell of a lot worse than we are.

And this thread is ****. Comparing the current world situation to 1984? Orwell must be rolling over in his grave...

	09-09-2003 16:18									#40
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France is eroding freedoms of their citizens? Where?

	09-09-2003 16:20									#41
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quote: France is eroding freedoms of their citizens? Where?

You don't know about their restrictions on freedom of speech? Or the wide powers they give their internal security organization to spy on their own citizens?

edit: A good article on the differences between French and American laws regarding the investigation of suspected terrorists. Seems the Patriot Act just moved America a little bit closer to France on this issue...

	09-09-2003 16:39									#42
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They aren't eroding freedoms, they have never had them to be taken away.

	09-09-2003 16:40									#43
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Although if you are happy to become more like France then I guess that's Ok.

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what scares me is that we have idiot citizens who are more than willing to give up rights in the name of security.

*******s that are ruining it for the rest of us.

	09-09-2003 17:45									#45
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quote: Although if you are happy to become more like France then I guess that's Ok.

I certainly don't want to become more like France. In fact, I consider its very Frenchness to be the most damning condemnation of the Patriot Act.

All joking aside, I just wanted to point out that, despite our faults, America is far from the worst country when it comes to civil rights infringement.

	09-09-2003 17:45									#46
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH They aren't eroding freedoms, they have never had them to be taken away.

What can you do that I cannot ?

	09-09-2003 17:47									#47
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quote: What can you do that I cannot ?

Buy Nazi paraphenalia?

	09-09-2003 17:56									#48
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Yeah, cos that's the sort of thing that makes you shout "God bless America" when you get out of bed every morning.

	09-09-2003 17:57									#49
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Hey, I might want buy some Nazi memorabilia if it had some sort of historical value. Nice to know I can do that and not be a criminal.

	09-09-2003 18:11									#50
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You cannot advertize nazi stuff, but you can buy and sell authentic pieces of collection. I really dont miss modern copies of nazi stuff.

	09-09-2003 18:32									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten All joking aside, I just wanted to point out that, despite our faults, America is far from the worst country when it comes to civil rights infringement.

Very true, ours are much worse, I like the US ideals of freedom though (if not always the execution of them) I think it's worth preserving them.

	09-09-2003 19:21									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX asian is now "unwhite", and black is now "doubleplusunwhite".

	09-09-2003 20:11									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed what scares me is that we have idiot citizens who are more than willing to give up rights in the name of security. *******s that are ruining it for the rest of us.

Just do what Caveman Bush tells us to do with no questions ask.

	11-09-2003 06:37									#54
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1984 was a good year.

	11-09-2003 06:40									#55
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quote: 1984 was a good year.

1776 was a better one though.

	11-09-2003 12:24									#56
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Never read 1984. Had crossed my mind to do so, but it seems I'm already living it.

	11-09-2003 12:43									#57
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Orwell was always considered a bit of a traitor by the left because he hated the SU so much.

Thats the left for you

	11-09-2003 12:52									#58
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You silly silly gits.

You go on and on about your government failing to gather intelligence to protect your security, but then you tell it to gather the intelligence using magic, since everybody's freedom and privacy must be protected.


You want your government to secure you from terrorism, yet you disallow it to remove terror-supporting governments or fight with people that wouldn't hesitate about killing you.


I hope you won't be forced to the same conclusions, like we Israelis are. But you probably will be.

You consider your lives to be naturally secure, easy and free. Well it ain't. There are people out to kill you, cheat you and abuse you.

And you can't get all the rights in the world without freaking limitations. And when things get tough, the limitations increase, to protect more basic rights - like the rights to life and property.


I know that each time I walk into a mall, my life is possibly in direct danger. So I don't mind a security guard looking at my stuff. What is he going to find trhere already and who is he going to tell? I am not a killer, and I wouldn't store body parts in my bag anyways.

And I already had my bags checked after I bought stuff at a sex shop, which could potentially be emberassing. But you know what? The guard doesn't care! He could smirk or wink at me, but he didn't bother. He has a life to live, instead of judging me.


So yes, I waver my right to privacy, when I have to show my bag to the security guard. But I know I protect my right to life.


Someday, you people will understand that rights are NOT natural and don't exist out of pure air. Rights are to be fought for, to be sacrificed for.

	11-09-2003 15:17									#59
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Thousands of secret US documents now declassified have been synthesised in a book, The Pinochet File, by Peter Kornbluh of Washington's investigative National Security Archives.

The documents detail the crude workings of Washington during the Cold War. "It is firm and continuing policy that Allende be overthrown by a coup," reads a CIA document from 1970. "It is imperative that these actions be implemented clandestinely and securely so that the US government and American hand be well hidden."

Two days after this document was written, top CIA officials proposed a terrorist campaign to stun the Chilean people into accepting a military regime. "Concur giving tear gas canisters and gas masks... working on obtaining machine-guns," reads a CIA memo.

- Guardian.

	11-09-2003 15:36									#60
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Sirotnikov , there is a reason why I'd never live in Isreal, but if I wanted my life to be like that I'd move there. Everyday one of you twe sides is blowing the crap out of the over, personaly I think the rest of the world should ignore you, as both sides deserve eachover. Isreal is an unjust invader/oppressor, Hamas & co are fanatical murderers.

Anyway

You can whistle merrily on the road to state-dictatorship, you can allow yourself to be manipulated by the use of terrorism by governernments and fringe-groups into accepting anything, but not me. If my government wants to play evil games abroad and then pretend to be all shocked and outraged when the blowback hits these shores, and then furthermore use that as an excuse to take away my freedoms... then I will loudly protest.