23-08-2003 20:53									#31
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Horse is correct, Hitler said nothing new, his book is a series of rants based on perceptions he gained living in Vienna before the first world war.

BTW, Hitler's favorite movies were about English colonialism (his fav was "Lives of a Bengal Lancer, which he thought was a brilliant example of racially superior men controlling untold masses of inferiors).

The only original part of the book is the part where he describes what he would do if he ever got power, and this was scoffed at, yet he did exactly what he said he would do.

	23-08-2003 20:55									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Less technologically advanced != inferior. Inferior implies a moral evaluation, which intends that the inferior person is worse, and should strive for being like the superior person. If you watch "The Gods Must Be Crazy", you'd wonder if less technologically advanced people are that Inferior to us...

Notice I said socially as well. I would call an African dictatorship inferior to a Western democracy any day.

	23-08-2003 21:10									#33
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker I would call an African dictatorship inferior to a Western democracy any day.

Same here. But I would be more cautious with an African tribe under traditional chiefdom. Actually, the European replacement of Chiefdoms (often not based on territory) with the western idea of Nation State is one of the causes of today's African tragedy. The idea behind this replacement was that our concept was better than theirs, because we were more technologically advanced

	23-08-2003 21:18									#34
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Buck Birdseed: can you think of any other measure of superiority that has held throughout time

Yes. Thought.

quote: Boddington has a point, in a way. While other races are not inherently inferior, they ARE less socially, technologically, and militarily advanced. This doesn't mean we have a mandate to rule them, but it does mean their societies are inferior to ours.

Last time I checked America is not "one race". Actually it prides itself, and does very well, on the fact that it is a mixture of races put together and mixed. It also begs the question how we judge "inferiority" and actually Spiffor already answered it I think.

	23-08-2003 21:21									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Same here. But I would be more cautious with an African tribe under traditional chiefdom. Actually, the European replacement of Chiefdoms (often not based on territory) with the western idea of Nation State is one of the causes of today's African tragedy. The idea behind this replacement was that our concept was better than theirs, because we were more technologically advanced

The European replacement of Chiefdoms with the western idea of the nationstate, combined with the lack of effort put into developing a society capable of handling it, and/or the removal of the European powers before such development could take place, is the cause of today's African tragedy.

	23-08-2003 21:21									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 Horse is correct, Hitler said nothing new, his book is a series of rants based on perceptions he gained living in Vienna before the first world war. BTW, Hitler's favorite movies were about English colonialism (his fav was "Lives of a Bengal Lancer, which he thought was a brilliant example of racially superior men controlling untold masses of inferiors). The only original part of the book is the part where he describes what he would do if he ever got power, and this was scoffed at, yet he did exactly what he said he would do.

Agreed on that completely.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Last time I checked America is not "one race". Actually it prides itself, and does very well, on the fact that it is a mixture of races put together and mixed. It also begs the question how we judge "inferiority" and actually Spiffor already answered it I think.

And you notice how some races are better off than others in America? Part of that is because of slavery, but another part is do to their culture that does not encourage a good education et al.

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How can you still define race in a country whose 75% of the population has african genes?

I also think that the US unfortunately has adopted "nazism" in its purest form: «There are Whites and there are all the others».

Again I'm talking about the average Joe, not the country in its entirity, I do not allude any connection of the country with Nazi Germany in what regards deeds and do not confide my opinions solely on this country but on many others as well. It is just that America seems to have inherited a lot of things from the British Empire and maybe its "Nazism" was one of the most profound of them. It served its use I suppose to "separete" a very diverse crowds

	23-08-2003 21:36									#39
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Evil Knevil:

quote: Most of the attacks on white women in the South are a direct result of a cocaine-crazed negro brain. -Evidence summitted to Congress in 1914 on crime/race control.

crack addicts sure go buck wild sometimes...

	23-08-2003 21:39									#40
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Paiktis:

notice how the greatest seperations come from those who are liberally-minded... always seems like the conservatives are the ones touting of an american people made up of all ethnicities, while its the liberals who go to such lengths to differentiate with such terms as Asian-American and African-American...

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 How can you still define race in a country whose 75% of the population has african genes?

Affirmative action manages to do it

	23-08-2003 21:55									#42
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I see.

Don't get me wrong I think the US is a pride in all over the world in what regards tolerance of different people. Certaintly has shown much more progress than Europe for example or former colonial countries.

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Oh, and re: African genes, there really aren't African genes, as proven by genetic studies. Just looking at the percent differences in the DNA of a bunch of people, they couldn't seperate them into groups of race. Yes, there are genes that control it, but they are very few (such as the gene for skin color).

	23-08-2003 22:04									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Skywalker, societies are made up of people....

Wow -- I didn't know that.

	23-08-2003 22:19									#45
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Recommended book if you want to explore the connection between colonialism and Nazism/The Holocaust: "Exterminate all the Brutes" by Sven Lindqvist, a work which at the time was quite groundbreaking and a damn fine peice of fiction interpolated with non-fiction to boot.

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some time ago, i remember reading a translated joseph goebbels speech on the internet where he mentioned blacks but seemed to refer to the American Negro as a people subtly oppressed by the United States in the same manner as the Germans were subtly oppressed by the jews. maybe i completley mis-understood the speech though...

	23-08-2003 22:29									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Evil Knevil: crack addicts sure go buck wild sometimes...

Your just saying that because your skull is smaller than mine

	23-08-2003 22:39									#48
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Evil:

even high on cocaine, i dont see why a black man would ever want to rape a white woman...

	23-08-2003 22:40									#49
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btw, what does Mein Kampf mean, anyway?

	23-08-2003 22:40									#50
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Translates into "My Struggle."

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That's a stupid name for a stupid book.

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oh and Evil... though my family apparently orginates in Sudan, i'm not black... so my skull aint smaller... i'm more like one of those industrious people who the British have to save from my worst impulses

	23-08-2003 22:45									#53
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I guess Hitler chose that title, to dramatize to his people about his own life in relation to his ideology???

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer oh and Evil... though my family apparently orginates in Sudan, i'm not black... so my skull aint smaller... i'm more like one of those industrious people who the British have to save from my worst impulses

Thats 'used to be industrious'. Before of course, your false idol worship brought you the Mongols and the Ottoman subjegation. Now all you do is steal welfare checks and hold onto your backward customs, like no drinking!

Irony: Races north of the Pyrenees never reach maturity; they are of great stature and of a white colour. But they lack all sharpness of wit and penetration of intellect.
Said of Toledo, 1000ad. An arab Cordoban diplomat.

I can't believe how dismissive the Europeans were to other cultures. Even an interest in Arabic culture stemmed from a fetsitic Arabian Nights style romantisism.

	23-08-2003 22:59									#55
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Evil:

where are you getting all these quotes? they're great

	23-08-2003 23:20									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Evil Knevil Irony: Races north of the Pyrenees never reach maturity; they are of great stature and of a white colour. But they lack all sharpness of wit and penetration of intellect. Said of Toledo, 1000ad. An arab Cordoban diplomat.

yeah, but we showed those uppity wogs didn't we.

	24-08-2003 01:11									#57
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He wanted to call the book "Four and a Half Years of Struggle against lies, Stupidity and Cowardice."

It was shortened to "Mein Kampf" by Max Amann, the manager of the Nazi publishing business.

	24-08-2003 01:19									#58
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Albert:


I've got a collection of Regrettable Quotations, "They Got It Wrong" David Milsted, Guinness publishing 1995. Which is where I got the encylopedia reference and the skull thing.

I've also got "A History Of The Arab Peoples" By Albert Hourani. Which is where I got the condesending White Man's burden quote.

Also Al-Andalus, a sourcebook, Cheyne, University of Minnisota publishing, which I where I got your sig


I aint going to let no darkies and white folks segregate together in this town Eugene Connor, Police Commissioner for Birmingham Alabama, 1950.

Most of the boarding houses here are not large enough to take colored and white guests at the same time. Head of a British Landladies association. 1970

There was alot of controversy about Black people being refused accommodation at holiday resorts. Several hotels even turned down delegates from African countries, because they're still darkies.

	24-08-2003 01:28									#59
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Evil:

do you know about the story about how Castro came to NYC soon after taking power and when his alliegence to the Soviet Union still wasn't clear? it is said that when half his entourage (who were darker) were refused from being in the fancy hotel designated for Castro and his lighter-skinned guests that Castro finally decided that the USSR was his true friend. odd to think the world could have been nuked because of this racism

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Really? Thats interesting.....

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