23-08-2003 06:33									#1
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Out of general curiosity, I browsed through the little gay man's scribbles.

I didn't give money to buy such excrement of course, I just found it on the internet.

I browsed through the Nation and Race chapter. His hallucinations were entertaining, however those are not the point of this thread.

I found that there is an amazing similarity between what he believed, upon which was based the Nazi monstrocity system, and today's world. Be that in the US, Greece and Europe in general.

Namely, the "hierarchy of races".

Blacks are not smart. Intelligence, capacity for achievements, social progress, technological prowess is defined by the colour of one's skin, etc.

Ask your average redneck (of any country) and that's what you'll hear.


However, given the fact that Nazi Germany was crushed and costed a lot of lives and suffering in Europe and to a lesser extend in the US, as well as in Germany itself and other parts of the world, I seriously doubt that the average redneck's presumptions about people who differ from him are the result of his reading Mein Kampf (lol) or the spreading of Hitler's ideas.

I therefore, believe what is rather obvious, that such ideas proceeded the abortion that was Nazi Germany, walked alongside with it during its existance and survived after its demise.

Hence there are a millions of "Nazi Germanies" all over the world and particularly in the US and Europe that need also to be crushed.

It is interesting to think about that.

	23-08-2003 06:35									#2
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Or it could simply be that ignorance and stupidity is frightfully common.

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	23-08-2003 06:35									#3
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Europeans are usually more convinced that whites are superior to other races.

In America nowadays, it's a fight of blacks against anyone else.

	23-08-2003 06:37									#4
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Hitlers views on race and culture were a culmination of hundreds of years of imperial prejudice (our Empire's greatest gift). Sadly this sort of thing is still buried in many peoples minds. It will pass.

Also, did you know that when the first British Explorers reached India, the emissarys from the Mughals and Vjan refused to see them until they washed. They were that smelly

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paiktis, if you read Tacitus's Germania, you will find the Germans in that era thought the same way as the Germans of Hitler's time.

Surprised?

	23-08-2003 07:19									#6
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Ned:

I'm sure Tactius wasn't too fond of jews either... jews are just about everyone's favourite enemy... i've said it before but if there's one way to get whites, blacks, hispanics, and asians living together in harmony it's through hatred of jews.

poor jewish people... at least a high percentage of them tend to be rich...

	23-08-2003 07:34									#7
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People have always needed scapegoats, because are just a bunch of naked apes and so very vulnerable. We're cursed with an acute ability to assess ourselves and our surroundings and also with a marvelous memory able to remember injuries years and even decades old. For us yesterday can be just as much in our lives as today. Our intelligence compels us to see patterns in our world and to attempt to make sense of them, yet at the same time is woefully imprecise and subject to the dictates of an emotional apparatus that once was fit to govern the behavior of reptilian beasts. We are simultaneously required to fend for ourselves and yet also to live in a social structure. Often it becomes difficult to juggle all of this, and that is where the scapegoat fits in, for he/she/they provide a sink with which to flush all of our failings and so to maintain dignity in the face of our many failures.


Kinda make you wish you had one now don't it?

	23-08-2003 09:55									#8
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Doc:

Sorry to say that, but this is BS. We don't need imaginary scapegoats, because, thanks to the progress of education, we can now understand the complex realities of life.

Everybody knows that the US is the objective reason of all evils in the world

	23-08-2003 13:47									#9
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There are more difference between races than just skin colour, Paiktis, don't you agree?

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quote: Out of general curiosity, I browsed through the little gay man's scribbles. I didn't give money to buy such excrement of course, I just found it on the internet.

its not like by buying the book you're supporting the next nazi movement, quit being so damn cheap.

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The notion that one race or civilization is superior to others is not new... Rather it is as old as civilization itself

Every civilization that ever had real power had this belief that they where the best and everybody else where just stupid barbarians.

	23-08-2003 15:51									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's There are more difference between races than just skin colour, Paiktis, don't you agree?

Yes. There is the superior White Ueberrace, destined to lead humanity into a great bright future and producing such fine specimens like Bodington and there are those inferior creatures of assorted colors that are only good at picking the White Man's cotton or stuff like that. Maybe we should put them all in camps and get rid of them...

shithead

	23-08-2003 17:03									#13
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I think Boddington meant that color or looks mean nothing, Heuji. He may refer to differences in culture and etc, not actually "XX group is superior to XX cos they're white".

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quote: Originally posted by Zevico I think Boddington meant that color or looks mean nothing, Heuji. He may refer to differences in culture and etc, not actually "XX group is superior to XX cos they're white".

You haven't read many of his other posts, have you?

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Boddy is one of the average rednecks I was talking about.

Thanks Evil Knevil for the interesting answer

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quote: Originally posted by Ned paiktis, if you read Tacitus's Germania, you will find the Germans in that era thought the same way as the Germans of Hitler's time.

I read it, what parts are you reffering to?

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quote: Originally posted by Space05us its not like by buying the book you're supporting the next nazi movement, quit being so damn cheap.

I wouldn't want to go to the bookstore and buy it. I figure the clerk would give me a very funny look.

Do they even stock it?

	23-08-2003 18:36									#18
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Mein Kampf would easily make the list for the world's dumbest books ever.

It wasn't even original stupidity. Hitler stole most of his ideas from other German racists of the time before World War I. Vienna was a hotbed for racism because of the influx of poor people from the East in the last days of the Austro Hungarian empire.

	23-08-2003 18:43									#19
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I thought the British Empire contributed sugnificantly to these ideas?

	23-08-2003 18:47									#20
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Not directly - but the British Empire was seen as a model.

Interestingly so was the the United States - its Western expansion was the inspiration for the "lebensraum" idea.

	23-08-2003 19:23									#21
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The whole "we are superior to these scum, therefore it is our duty to rule" them goes back to Roman times. Look at the letters Pliny the Younger sends to Trajan when he was in Biythinia "Oh those stupid, cultured Greeks, the've squandered 300,000 D on an aqueduct. We need to use the imperial justice to smite the corrupt and rebuild the masonry"

The Roman mans burden became the white mans' burden during Europe's ascendancy

"The Arab were an industrious race vital in protecting Greek culture during the dark ages. However their time in the sun has passed .... we must now protect them from their worst impulses". British Diplomat.

How this transformed into genocide and brutal segregation has alot to do with Social Darwinism combining scientific fact:
"The negroe (sic) skull is 10 floz smaller then that of the white man. He is greatly inferior mentally to the white and yellow races, and this has been attributed by some to the early closing of the cranial sutures by which normal development of the brain is arrested." Waverley Encyclopedia, 1930.

Along with common or garden prejudice:
Most of the attacks on white women in the South are a direct result of a cocaine-crazed negro brain. Evidence summitted to Congress in 1914 on crime/race control.

	23-08-2003 19:29									#22
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i would say it went back even further, to the earliest civilisations. that's the great thing about the world, not matter where or who you are, there's always someone to look down on

	23-08-2003 19:43									#23
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I think Germany gets an unfair share of burden when it comes to the modern "Nazi" ideology accusations. Other countries had Nazism pure and simple and basically created it. Of course Nazi Germany acted on these ideas with unmatched fervor hence the significant difference and its doom. However, the country has went through a psyche cleansing after WWII whereas other countries with the very same ideas have not.

Maybe one of the least "Nazi" countries today is the German people themselves. The real Nazis of today can be considered to be in other countries. Generalizing wildly of course.

The difference with old forms of "racism" is they primarily focused on nationality. Even older forms focused only at language. «Greeks took everything from the Barbarians of the East (those who didn't speak Greek) and bettered it» Aristotle.

However today's "Nazism" follows pretty much the old British and other colonial powers and of course Nazi Germany's criteria.

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	23-08-2003 20:00									#24
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And I wouldn't want to get anyone on the defensive about his country. These are just observations that may hold water, they may not. I just think that they do. Unfortunately there tons of other "racisms" in the world too. It's not a competition as to who is the most racist, just some ideas.

	23-08-2003 20:06									#25
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Have you ever thought that if those nations were superior to us, they'd have been the ones ruling us in colonial times?

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You measure superiority in terms of ability to effectively kill others? :hmm:

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Buck Birdseed: can you think of any other measure of superiority that has held throughout time

Boddington has a point, in a way. While other races are not inherently inferior, they ARE less socially, technologically, and militarily advanced. This doesn't mean we have a mandate to rule them, but it does mean their societies are inferior to ours.

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Skywalker, societies are made up of people....

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So? A culture is not made up of people. Have you read Guns, Germs, and Steel? Geography is a HUGE factor in the development (or lack thereof) of a society.

Just because it's based on geography doesn't mean they aren't an inferior society, but it does mean that the INDIVIDUALS aren't inherently inferior. If I took an African baby and raised in as an upper-middle-class white child, it would turn out that same as if I did that to an upper-middle-class white child.

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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Boddington has a point, in a way. While other races are not inherently inferior, they ARE less socially, technologically, and militarily advanced. This doesn't mean we have a mandate to rule them, but it does mean their societies are inferior to ours.

Less technologically advanced != inferior.

Inferior implies a moral evaluation, which intends that the inferior person is worse, and should strive for being like the superior person.
If you watch "The Gods Must Be Crazy", you'd wonder if less technologically advanced people are that Inferior to us...