23-08-2003 11:18									#1
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Our Core cities comprise of the following: (in order of Rank)

Apolyton
Incensity
Mingapulco
BigFurryCity
Bananatopia
Hispanica
LuxInvidica

These comprise 1/2 of our current cities.

This thread will be used to discuss the issues and plans for these cities, as we go through to the end of our GA.

All of these cities are limited to size 6, except for Bananatopia, which is on a river.

E_T

	23-08-2003 11:19									#2
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As of turn 109, we have the following built in Apolyton:
Granary
Barracks
and the Palace

We have 5 pop that will grow to 6 in 2 turns, requiring the need of using a specialist.

We will be presently using this city for the war effort, but we will soon need to build a temple and marketplace, hopefully before the end of the GA.

This city is also a good canidate for a settler, to be used for the war effort. We will have the settler built and then add a worker to bring the city back up to size 5.


E_T

Last edited by E_T on 23-08-2003 at 12:19

	23-08-2003 11:20									#3
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On turn 109, Incensity is currently at size 4, with no growth. The plan is to bring the city to size 5 using a worker. This will get us to 15 SPT for the GA.

The city has a barracks

We can build 2 MI's before the war, and then will concentrate on 30su during the GA. We might also have a galley built here, just before the war, to explore the north point, if we lose the Expedition.

We should build Horsemen in this city, during the GA and then during the last of the GA, build a marketplace.

E_T

Last edited by E_T on 23-08-2003 at 12:24

	23-08-2003 11:20									#4
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	23-08-2003 11:21									#5
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	23-08-2003 11:22									#6
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As of turn 118 - 210 BC, Bananatopia has the following Improvements:
Temple
Barracks
Granary

It has a corruption/waste of 12%.
This breaks down to the following:

code:

Raw (range)    #lost to corruption/waste
5 to 12                     1
13 to 22                    2
23 to 29                    3
30 to 37                    4
38 to 45                    5
46 to 54                    6

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	23-08-2003 11:22									#7
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	23-08-2003 11:23									#8
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E_T

	23-08-2003 11:26									#9
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At this point in time, we are about 9 to 10 turns away from going to war. The MoI is assuming, for reasons of planning, that our GA will start on turn 118 and finish on turn 137. At this point, all MoI plans will extend to turn 140.

E_T

	23-08-2003 13:06									#10
	Re: Apolyton Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by E_T We have 5 pop that will grow to 6 in 2 turns, requiring the need of using a specialist.

Actually we will get to size 6 fine in Apolyton, but it (and Bananatopia) is the only one that can do so.

	24-08-2003 04:18									#11
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Yes, I had noticed this, when I had moved the WF around to use the coastal tile. I wasn't sure if there would be sufficient amount of RAW trade at size 6 to bring us up enough without having to use the coastal tile.

Also, please do remember, that we ARE in a Republic and will be starting this war, so we will have the effects from war weiriness, every 5 turns that we are at war, so don't count on having the extra worker working throughout the entire GA/war.

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	25-08-2003 12:50									#12
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I just ran the number on Lux again. If we mine that shielded tile right away AND find another Shileded tile nearby nad mine it, we can switch production now and have a Granery built BEFORE it grows from 3 to 4 without having to rush buy it. Else, we have to spend a measly 20-30 gold on rushing it before it grows. To me, that is certainly worth it.

It would allow us to take the burden off Banana and Apolyton to do all of our setter chores, plus it could routinely pump out workers.

If ther are no objections from the other Consuls, I would like to get ET to back this plan and implement it on the next turn.

	25-08-2003 17:26									#13
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

What happens if we don't find another shielded tile in time? What are the costs then? This seems like a bit of a gamble that could end up wasting the time of a city during a war and Golden Age or dumping a lot of extra money.

I'm sorry I'm not a Counsel, but I think I have an objection. Last I checked, they're not the only ones that matter here.

	26-08-2003 00:48									#14
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I said it would cost 20-30 gold IF we didn't find another shielded tile under the tile that is being cleared now. Else, it costs us nothing and it gets done before we grow from 3 to 4 in Lux. Even if we dont get an extra shieled tile; it's well worth the cost to me. Food is as good as gold and shileds. Growth is the real secret to winning this game.

And you are right, everyones opinon's matter. But we will not poll every single item in this game. It simply cannot be done that way. If anyone feels strongly about soemthing, there are more than welcome to start a discussion on it followed by a poll.

	26-08-2003 03:29									#15
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I agree that expecting a Bonus Grassland to appear under Jungle within a particulear city's radius is not a very wise move. I count myself lucky (get it!?) to get a Bonus Grassland from Forest or Jungle; I never count on it.


Dominae

	26-08-2003 09:37									#16
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Are we talking about switching from War Production (currently Cat) Immediately to a Granary?

I do have plans to get that time Mined, in 1 turns time, by the Mining crew of MrWIA, EVC and Dejon, but in a few more turn. It seems that delaying the tile clearing in Banana and then Tripoli is not really an option at this point in time.

We can still look at getting that Granary built, but we should be completing that Cat first, and maybe just 1 worker. I would like to make sure that we can take GCA with out any problem, and that one cat (in combonation with all of the others) will make sure of that.

E_T

	26-08-2003 13:00									#17
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I'd rather get the Granery in now ET. If one Cat makes a difference in our war with GCA, then we are in deep doodoo!

You know as well as I do that a Granery is most effective when it can build the most settlers and workers in a given time period. IMO, that advantage is far greater than any one Cat could bring us.

	26-08-2003 14:36									#18
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True, but Granaries do not fight a war for you.

	26-08-2003 18:33									#19
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Cats will not be doing us much good, either.


Dominae

	27-08-2003 00:04									#20
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Granaries do build your economy, and your economy is certainly an important part of fighting a war.

Cats can be excellent tools, but given our current plan I don't think it would be the best use of our resources. Cats are best in slow and defensive wars; this will hopefully be a fast and offensive war.

The possibility that scorched earth strategies will be used in the upcoming war could make an additional granary very useful in the rebuilding process.

	27-08-2003 02:27									#21
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Cats move as fast as our MIs, and we are through the jungle.

A few cats (maybe 4 or 6) will result in us losing fewer MIs and Mercs.

	27-08-2003 02:30									#22
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Cats are still slower though, since to use them you have to bombard which uses their turn up and they end up 1 turn behind everyone else for each time they attack.

	27-08-2003 02:46									#23
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They are no slower than the MI's that win but are unable to advance because of their stack.

	27-08-2003 02:56									#24
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If we used cats in offensive scenarios then the stack would be indeed held up for one turn in order to re-integrate them back into the AG's.

If they are used as only counter measures to GCA's attacks agianst our stacks, then they will not slow us down. I can see sending 4 Cats along for this war; however, 1 Cat is not more valuable than a Granery 10 turns sooner.

	27-08-2003 03:04									#25
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither They are no slower than the MI's that win but are unable to advance because of their stack.

Yes, but multiple Cats can be used against a single opponent, which might be immediately killed thereafter. Thus 4 Catapults have shot, and 1 unit is one tile forward while the rest are 2-3.

	27-08-2003 03:11									#26
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On offense, Cats complement an already sufficient force nicely, by reducing the need to heal units and by allowing cities to be captured with fewer direct battles. But, it is important that there already be a sufficient number of units to work with in the first place; Cats do not replace Medieval Infantry, especially if only around 5 of them are being used in total. If there were plans to build a whole bunch of Cats then that's another story, but only 5 is not worth it, IMO.


Dominae

	28-08-2003 09:32									#27
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I have a feeling, that when we go to attempt to take Catchopolis, that it will be a very bloody battle. To that, even a few cats can shift the odds sufficiently, to insure our voctory.

Even as a defencive role, the have the ablity to make a likely loss of one of our units, to a possibility of them loosing a unit.

PLUS, IF they ARE replaying and working out the best moves for their Offenses, then that one additional RNG that is used by the cat (while in defencive mode), can really muck that up for them.

E_T

	21-09-2003 09:20									#28
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Updated Bananatopia Entry.

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