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OSLO, Norway, Aug. 22 — Nothing here is free — even a trip to a public toilet costs $1.32. No surprise, then, that a new survey gives Oslo the dubious distinction of being the world’s most expensive city.

THE LIST OF high-priced places by Swiss banking giant UBS says Oslo has overtaken Tokyo as the costliest place to live. Tokyo is now third on the list — dropping from first place in 2000, when the survey was last done. Hong Kong was second on the list and New York fourth.
UBS cited deflation and the depreciation of the Japanese yen as part of the reason that prices in Tokyo have come down. Meanwhile, the Norwegian kroner has appreciated — and many people here feel the effects.
A three-minute bus ride costs $2.64 when buying tickets in advance — but $3.97 to hop on at the last minute. The price of gasoline is $4.89 per gallon. A no-frills hamburger averages $5.95. The kebab, usually a little cheaper, has become the fast food of choice for many.

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Most expensive cities

The costliest places to live around the world


1. Oslo, Norway

2. Hong Kong

3. Tokyo

4. New York

5. Zurich, Switzerland

6. Copenhagen, Denmark

7. London

8. Basel, Switzerland

9. Chicago

10. Geneva



Source: UBS Survey

A pint of domestic beer at a downtown bar can cost $6.88. Expensive, but worth it, to some.
“I drink beer to forget what it costs me to pick up and deliver appliances,” said Jan Berg, a 38-year-old appliance repairman from Oslo. He earns $43,630 a year — just above the average yearly salary of $40,986. Relatively high salaries here lessen the sting of the cost of living — but not by much. Berg said he lives in a modest apartment atop a pizzeria.
“I don’t live well, believe me,” he said.
Tor Steig, chief economist for the Confederation of Norwegian Business and Industry, said Oslo was riding a five-year wage boom, one of a number of factors making the city expensive. The Norwegian minimum wage is $8.59 an hour. The hourly federal minimum wage in the United States is $5.15.
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After New York, the UBS survey said the most expensive cities were Zurich, Switzerland; Copenhagen, Denmark; London; Basel, Switzerland; Chicago; and Geneva. The cheapest of the 70 ranked cities were Buenos Aires, Argentina; and Mumbai, India.
The bank’s “Prices and Earnings” analysis compares incomes and the cost of living based on the cost of a basket of 111 goods and services. It said that the Swiss cities of Zurich, Geneva and Basel had the highest purchasing power, followed by Los Angeles and Luxembourg.
The survey said people in Miami, Los Angeles and Chicago needed to work just 10 minutes to earn enough to buy a Big Mac from a McDonald’s restaurant. That compared to three hours, five minutes for a worker in Nairobi, Kenya

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housing is what makes NYC so expensive. When it comes to transport and food, you can find lots of cheap alternatives. I easily find meals for under $10. Also, leave Manhattan and costs go down significantly.

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YES! I guessed right when I only saw the topic!
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housing is what makes NYC so expensive. When it comes to transport and food, you can find lots of cheap alternatives. I easily find meals for under $10. Also, leave Manhattan and costs go down significantly.


I wonder if when they rate NY if they are just rating Manhattan. Hmmm.



I was also interested to see the minimum wage at $8.59. Is labor scarce? It says that Oslo has been in a boom. Wonder if construction and population influx will make it cheaper per capita.

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Well, prices are expansive in Norway in general. I was shocked that everything was so costly when I went there

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Yes.. Norway is _expensive_.

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Yes Pekka. When prices get expansive, then places get expensive.

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why is it expensive though?

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I wonder if when they rate NY if they are just rating Manhattan. Hmmm.


Possibly: Staten Island is certainly not more expensive than say conneticutt or NJ (fine, comapred to parts of the US all these are expensive but still), and the Bronx isn;t either. But as i said, housing costs are immense: you see studio apartments in Manhattan advertised for 700-900 dollars a month! Food and entertainment can be costly if you stick to trendy places. if you go to mom and op places, immigrant restaurants and s forth, things are OK.

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It's not possible that Hong Kong is more expensive than Tokyo.

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It's not possible that Hong Kong is more expensive than Tokyo.

I am equally puzzled. That just does not seem possible.

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Possibly: Staten Island is certainly not more expensive than say conneticutt or NJ (fine, comapred to parts of the US all these are expensive but still)

Hmmmm, didn't find Connecticut to be too much more expensive than Maine, but then you get huge regional variation in both places....

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why is it expensive though?


Complete lack of cheap labour. Norway may well be the only country in the world that just doesn't have low-salary, intensive jobs that cheap services are built on. Travelling through norway you're constantly surprised by how few small shops there are, how few service employees you see, how few restaurants, cafés, in-town bakeries that the wage-level can sustain. This has the consequence of not jsut making everything more expensive, but also that it's difficult socially for a poorer class to develop- there's not the same demand for cheap store chains etc. as you'd see in a country with a more significant working class, and just as there are no cheap labourers it becomes impossible for cheap labour to develop, as they couldn't make a decent living.

I think it's a small price to pay.

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Its all relativ. Absolute Numbers means nothing. If everyone gets 10times the money they get now, the poor are still poor...

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I would like to see what they put in their 'basket' for different places. Obviously the goods you can buy in Geneva will be different from the goods you buy in Tokyo.

I live in Geneva, and I really don't find it that expensive - certainly not No 10 in the world. I suspect UBS may be filling their Geneve basket with foie gras, scottish salmon and oysters.

A word of warning: UBS are crap (I know - I bank there).

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I live in the most expensive city in the EU. Zoinks. I'm moving to Sweden - no, wait -

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I think that it is interesting that New York and Chicago made the top ten and then L.A. was recognized for being among the leaders in buying power. I wonder what's up with that?

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i'm not at all surprised that london was in there :/

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I'm surprised Paris didn't make the list. I guess the French are doing something ight after all. At least when it comes to affordable houseing.

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I think it's a small price to pay.
It's quite steep according to the survey though.

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I'm surprised Paris didn't make the list. I guess the French are doing something ight after all. At least when it comes to affordable houseing.


Paris, affordable housing ?!
Heck, the only thing that prevents Paris from making it to the list is that people from city centres can go to cheap hyperrmarkets in the suburbs.
You have to get pretty far from the centre, or pretty low on the social scale to have affordable housing in the Paris region

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You have to admite Paris isn't on the list so it is less expensive.

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You have to admite Paris isn't on the list so it is less expensive.

For everyday's needs, that's for sure. Housing in Paris centre must also be cheaper than in Tokyo and Manhattan, but tha's about it. Except for the few remaining low income houses, you now have to be real rich if you want to inhabit Paris.

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Spiffor your comments have raised a question for me. Do you believe that we are creating a different economic class to simply support our large cities? What impact does having huge metro areas have on things like wages and inflation in a country as a whole? Is their growing seperation, in terms of distance, with the working class(surely the lower waged workers would need to be housed away from the pricey housing)? What do you think?

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Do you believe that we are creating a different economic class to simply support our large cities? What impact does having huge metro areas have on things like wages and inflation in a country as a whole? Is their growing seperation, in terms of distance, with the working class(surely the lower waged workers would need to be housed away from the pricey housing)? What do you think?

Well, O don't know if I got all your questiosn right, but I don't think there is anything new in geographic / urban segregation (i.e putting the poor away from the rich). The trend is extremely clear today in the light of the American suburbian sprawl, or if you see Paris region's social geography, but I think such an obviousness comes mainly from modern transportation systems.

Indeed, thanks to cars or far-reaching mass transit systems, it is now possible to have cities much more spread than before. As such, people from different classes can live far away from one another, while still working in the same urban pole where they need each other.

I think technology has only made the distance between rich and poor residential zones greater. But it hasn't created the separation between rich and poor areas. I'm pretty sure even the ancient Egyptians had their rich and poor quarters...

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Well, if it says anything, Paris is 13th on the list :brag:

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Well, if it says anything, Paris is 13th on the list :brag:


I was trying to complement Paris for finding a way to make a major city affordable.

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I was trying to complement Paris for finding a way to make a major city affordable.

Yes, but it sadly doesn't work Except if you are living in the suburbs that is.

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The survey said people in Miami, Los Angeles and Chicago needed to work just 10 minutes to earn enough to buy a Big Mac from a McDonald’s restaurant. That compared to three hours, five minutes for a worker in Nairobi, Kenya


What the...!!?

We have a McDonald's TV commercial over here that says: "This is how much a plumber has to work to buy a hamburger"... and then they show a plumber looking at a sink for 2 seconds. The bastards! They're lying!

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Chicago #9???!!! above LA??? wtfz.... now I know that is BS...

 
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