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Verto is offline Verto

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Mar 2002
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Walter Cronkite (search) was a CBS News (search) anchorman for almost two decades. He has been a syndicated newspaper columnist for fewer than two weeks. Already, though, he has addressed one of journalism’s most serious issues, and in a much more candid manner than was ever possible for him behind the anchor desk.

I quote from Cronkite’s first column, for the King Features Syndicate (search), on the subject of political bias in journalism:

“I believe that most of us reporters are liberal, but not because we consciously have chosen that particular color in the political spectrum. More likely it is because most of us served our journalistic apprenticeships as reporters covering the seamier sides of our cities---the crimes, the tenement fires, the homeless and the hungry, the underclothed and undereducated.

“We reached our intellectual adulthood with daily close-ups of inequality in a nation that was founded on the commitment to equality for all.”

That is what Cronkite believes. What I believe is that he is not only being candid here, but accurate. However, I would put it a little differently.

The majority of young men and women who enter journalism do so not because they want to report the news but because they want to make a difference in society. In other words, they want to report certain kinds of news. They do not want to convey facts or explain processes; they want to shine spotlights on abuse. In some cases they are motivated by idealism; in others, by the hope that some of the light will reflect back on them.

It has always been this way. Think back a century ago to the muckrakers. Ray Stannard Baker (search) shone a spotlight on the abuses of coal mine operators. Ida Tarbell (search) shone one on the abuses of Standard Oil (search). Lincoln Steffens (search) and Jacob Riis (search) shone their spotlights on the squalid living conditions of immigrants. And Upton Sinclair (search), the novelist-muckraker, focused his wattage on the dangerously unsanitary meat-packing industry.

Whether today’s journalists know the preceding names or not, they know the tradition that these people created, and they want to follow in it. They are activists. They want society to change because of the stories they tell. People like this tend for the most part to be liberals.

Conservatives, on the other hand, are by definition people who want to conserve what is best in the culture; they are promoters of virtue more than exposers of vice. They, too, are troubled by society’s abuses, but more often than not believe in less theatrical solutions than do liberals, in solutions brought about by self-reliant individuals working quietly, behind the scenes---not by agencies of government working creakily in the headlines.

The problem with conservatives, at least with those conservatives who rail at the liberalism in today’s journalism, is that they see it as a personal attack on their values, a vast arraying of forces against them. It is not. There is nothing conspiratorial about the liberalism in the Fourth Estate; it is, rather, in the nature of the business, in the nature of those who are drawn to it. As Cronkite so famously said for so many years, closing his newscasts: “And that’s the way it is.”

But it isn’t. At least, not to the extent that it used to be. For what has happened over the years is that the liberal influence in journalism has become so pervasive that alternatives have developed, and there are more alternatives to liberal bias today, it seems to me, than there have ever been before---more newspapers, more magazines, more talk radio programs, and even an all-news cable network that strenuously avoids a left-leaning emphasis on issues of public concern.

Journalism, in other words, is now attracting, and in greater numbers than ever, those who want to shine a spotlight on a different kind of abuse---the one-sided presentation of news.


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If the best Fox can do is hash up Cronkite's old opinions... well that just shows how pathetic they are. I have no doubt that the American media was once very liberal... sure... in the 60's and 70's... especially when guys like Woodward and Bernstein were what the media was. But now, it's all corporate conglomerates who propogate conservative agendas.

Here's a tip Verto... if you are trying to make a case... use a source that isn't a conservative rag, and you might have a point.

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ooh, a foxnews thread. i'm looking forward to some intelligent and open minded discusion.

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and right on que, here's sava

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and right on que, here's sava
of course! whenever I see FoxNews... I salivate like Pavlov's dog.

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Cronkite's still alive!

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Here's a tip Verto... if you are trying to make a case... use a source that isn't a conservative rag, and you might have a point.


I've no need to make a case for this, or take tips from you. I just saw the article, thought it to be of some interest, and posted it here.

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True. I like Walter Cronkite alot; the man has always been a journalist amoung journalists that's why he was covered everything from WW2 to the moonlanding to war on drugs to the war in Iraq. He is one of the few journalists who are truly from the old school train of thought that honesty avoiding bias are the two best things a journalist can do.

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Cronkite's still alive!


The guy is almost 90 but looks like he's only 70. He still publishes regular new articles and even fills in on several A&E programs.

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Cronkite's still alive!
too wrinkly and senile

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I've no need to make a case for this, or take tips from you.
of course... because you know your points are weak and without merit.

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That is what Cronkite believes. What I believe is that he is not only being candid here, but accurate. However, I would put it a little differently.


Right here is what is wrong with this piece:

first, we start with an acknowledgement that the opening is an opinion piece: then we have the authors opinion on this opinion, and then he states yet anhother opinion about how he would have phrased this opinion.

Though, overall, compared to the crap that comes form Fox opinion pieces, this is a relaively well writte and non-shrill one. A huge step up from most Fox pieces. If only they posetd more sutff at this level....

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ooh, a foxnews thread. i'm looking forward to some intelligent and open minded discusion.

FoxNews is fair and Balanced

Hope you're satisfied C0ckney

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So I'm the only one who likes Cronkite around here? Heck, the guy deserves respect just because he's been doing the news gig for 60+ years.

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I like Cronkite... but he is old... and certainly out of touch with today's media.

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I don't particularly care for Cronkite

It's funny how peopel can have a disucussion over obvious liberal media sources and they pretend that it is the truth. But no one can admit some organization like Fox News actually might tell the truth once in a while.

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The "media is controlled by liberals!" conservatives always give me a good laugh. Thanks

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it is well known the media is controlled by the jews

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too wrinkly and senile


And no matter how wrinkly or senile he ever gets, he'll have more class, brains, integrity, firsthand experience and knowledge than you ever will.

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And no matter how wrinkly or senile he ever gets, he'll have more class, brains, integrity, firsthand experience and knowledge than you ever will.


I thought moderators weren't supposed to troll?

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That's not a troll, it's a direct insult.

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But no one can admit some organization like Fox News actually might tell the truth once in a while.


Sure. Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day.

Anybody remember the rest of this old song:

Mister Walter Cronkite,
You're all right!
Mister Walter Cronkite,
You're outta sight!!

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Sure. Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day.


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ooh, a foxnews thread. i'm looking forward to some intelligent and open minded discusion.


Seemed like a well-written, cogent article. You might not agree with it, but it's a lot better than your comments. "Oooh...icky poo, Foxnews."

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Of course there's a liberal, more accurately, left wing bias in the media, the trend over the last century has been to increase government, not decrease it. And even many of these so-called conservative outlets push for increasing government more than decreasing it. We get a consistent dose of "look at this terrible problem, what is your Congressman doing about it?" The obvious connotation is if he isn't doing anything about it, he's failing his duty and the Constitution be damned. I've always found it funny (and hypocritical) for people in the media to complain whenever freedom of the press is threatened, but screw the rights of you peasants.

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interesting how in these discussions so many people tend to assume that unbiased = agreeing with the biases of the average american...

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"Here's a tip Verto... if you are trying to make a case... use a source that isn't a conservative rag, and you might have a point."

But's an opinion piece!

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Pot, kettle, black?

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Funny. I got into journalism because I enjoy being among the first to know when news is happening.

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