25-08-2003 14:25									#1
	Judge publishes secret Documents concerning Blairs Dossiers about WMDs in Iraq Got spare money?

quote: 'Blair's Watergate' Around 9,000 pages including private e-mails and memos submitted by the Cabinet Office, the Ministry of Defence, the BBC, the Commons foreign affairs committee and newspapers, were published on the inquiry's website. Some of them would normally have been kept secret for 30 years Following their publication Labour left-winger Jeremy Corbyn MP said the Dr Kelly affair had become Mr Blair's Watergate He said: "The longer this inquiry goes on, the more e-mails appear, the more documents appear, the more damning evidence appears."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3177155.stm

quote: The dossier that made the case for war against Iraq was dramatically strengthened before its publication on 24 September, documents published by the Hutton inquiry reveal. It went through four drafts in 19 days, beginning with no reference to the claim that Saddam Hussein could launch a chemical or biological weapons strike in 45 minutes. But in the draft of 10 and 11 September it says: "Iraq continues to have the capability to produce chemical and biological weapons and has probably already done so." The word "probably" is not in the final version, in which Tony Blair states boldly: "The assessed intelligence has established beyond doubt ... that Saddam has continued to produce chemical and biological weapons." An early draft of the Prime Minister's foreword says: "The case I make is not that Saddam could launch a nuclear attack on London or another part of the UK (he could not)." The 10/11 draft of the dossier says reports that Iraq could produce smallpox were "uncorroborated". It also says Saddam abandoned work on a radiological bomb after failing to progress beyond the "research stage". All of these comments about the risk from Iraq were missing in the dossier's final version a fortnight later. On the issue of whether Iraq still had deadly weapons from before the 1991 Gulf War, the 11 September draft says: "We judge that Iraq has retained production equipment and at least small amounts of chemical agent and precursors." Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, was singing from a very different songsheet as war began. He stated for certain that Iraq had a stockpile of 10,000 litres of anthrax.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/po...sp?story=436912


This could be the Death-Blow for Tony Blair

	25-08-2003 14:31									#2
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And here seems to be the Link to the Page with the published Documents:

http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/

(Sems to be found in the Evidence --> Full Documentary Evidence )

	27-08-2003 20:00									#3
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Tony boy was a bit too trigger happy for that one.

	27-08-2003 20:11									#4
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Prediction - it will all come to nothing. Blair, Hoon and the rest will not be brought down over this.

Any Labour MP who criticises Tony Blair is automatically labelled left wing (and therefore extremist by implication) and anyone who claims to be left wing is automatically critical of Tony Blair. It means nothing.

	27-08-2003 20:17									#5
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV Prediction - it will all come to nothing. Blair, Hoon and the rest will not be brought down over this. Any Labour MP who criticises Tony Blair is automatically labelled left wing (and therefore extremist by implication) and anyone who claims to be left wing is automatically critical of Tony Blair. It means nothing.

The thing is, Blair is turning into an electoral liability, and places in the north, scotland and wales want a more left-wing labour party (the welsh labour party has made itslef more lefty and has had good success in elections recently, similar with scotland, not to mention succes of the Socialist party).

and the north of england dosn't even vote now, so a left wing labour party would be a plus for them. Not to mention a left wing party backlash as soon as blair is out.
Spin will kill blair.


And if Blair hasn't gone by the next election, the tories will prolly win.

	27-08-2003 20:19									#6
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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man And if Blair hasn't gone by the next election, the tories will prolly win.

They'd better hurry up and form a political party then.

And they'll need a leader they will all follow!

	27-08-2003 20:22									#7
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV They'd better hurry up and form a political party then. And they'll need a leader they will all follow!

A grass roots level IDS is very popular, well, he is becoming so.

And besides, the tories won't need to win on their own strength, just on labours weakness. And its time for a quite PM, all this spin is sending me dizzy

	27-08-2003 20:23									#8
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I wish the American media had this kind of killer instinct...

	27-08-2003 20:54									#9
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I told you Blair was gonna fall even before the war began.

Now let's see if he can take damn fool Texan with him.

	27-08-2003 20:57									#10
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Blair's not out yet. I'd bet he still has years to go in office.

	27-08-2003 21:00									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Blair's not out yet. I'd bet he still has years to go in office.

only cos it is damn near impossible to challange a leader in the Labour party, and that blair is becoming a megalomaniac and htinks he's great and won't resign.
HE is only in for years cos the next election is 3 years away.

	27-08-2003 21:18									#12
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blair won't go down over this, i could see hoon being forced out though if the report was very critical.

the tories won't have a great chance to attack the government over this, since they supported the war (as, it should be noted, did most people in britain), but if people feel that labour is dishonest (like duh!) then they'll gain in that way.

	27-08-2003 21:43									#13
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Err.... despite what the Murdoch press tells us, the majority of British people were against the war, before and after the conflict. The platitude of 'supporting our troops' fuzzed up our perceptions somewhat.

I think to bring down the Government, or even to cause Hoon to resign there will have to be sustained press investigation. I don't think they have the grapes.

Murdoch's lot: Times, Sky and the Scum are antidiluvent and so derangedly pro-Government that they have 'days off' where negative evidence at the Hutton inquiry isn't reported at all.

The Express is aping the Scum to some extent.

The Mail will lose interest, since it has 101 different campaigns to fight. This week ..... Greek Resorts. Next week ..... How John Lennon was a murderor.

Nobody reads the Mirror, the Herald or the Guardian. They certainly won't change anybody's mind.

Nobody watchs IT(N)V news anymore, and the standard of journalism has dropped so much its pathetic. Thankfully they remain largely neutral, but neutral like pre-1939 Britain, refusing to put the boot in to either/both sides

Which leaves the BBC.... hmmmm What side will they support? Do they have the nads to keep fighting the Government?

	27-08-2003 21:49									#14
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quote: Nobody reads the Mirror, the Herald or the Guardian. They certainly won't change anybody's mind.

ain't that the truth

then again i can't help but think your analysis of the press in this country is a little clouded by your own views on the war...

	27-08-2003 21:51									#15
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Evil:

We need the lib dems. I hope that people are not so dumb they'll shoot themselves in the foot by voting conservative.

	27-08-2003 21:52									#16
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C0ckney: He is right though.

	27-08-2003 21:54									#17
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that's a matter of perspective really isn't it, which was kinda my point in the first place

	27-08-2003 21:55									#18
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oh damn, missed that lib dem government bit

	27-08-2003 22:09									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Evil Knevil Nobody reads the Mirror, the Herald or the Guardian. They certainly won't change anybody's mind.

I read the Grauniad every day and so do most thinking people. You have to actually be able to read English prose to understand it, so that excludes the majority of Britons.

I suppose people buy the Sun for the pictures.

	27-08-2003 22:14									#20
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by admiting you read the guardian agathon you just proved EK's point :/

and don't knock page 3

	27-08-2003 22:29									#21
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I don't think Blair will fall over that. However, if his left-wing opponents harass him enough with this, he might lose all credibility for next election (hence falling in 3 years).

It's sadly too soon to teel "I told you so" Che (I wish, I wish )

	27-08-2003 22:35									#22
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This enquiry is basically a three-ring circus where the government bares its knickers in an effort to distract the media and the public from the real issues, that is, the non-existence of the WMDs, and the impotence of any that actually do exist.