27-08-2003 15:19									#1
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	28-08-2003 05:37									#2
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	28-08-2003 17:06									#3
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lol don't know if this thread is really necesary

sent to Ghengis, very nice map UnO, initial start locations look to favour OPD hooray although the Vikings are still yet to find a suitable location to live.

	30-08-2003 17:50									#4
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quote: Originally posted by OPD lol don't know if this thread is really necesary sent to Ghengis, very nice map UnO, initial start locations look to favour OPD hooray although the Vikings are still yet to find a suitable location to live.

I got planted in the middle of a bunch of Mountains! I can't found a city even if I wanted to.......

Stupid Mountains!

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	30-08-2003 18:28									#5
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we should probably start making some rules, I can think of a load of possible exploits already.

how would you feel about war and gifting cities between nations in the same power block being banned?

	30-08-2003 18:37									#6
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quote: Originally posted by OPD we should probably start making some rules, I can think of a load of possible exploits already. how would you feel about war and gifting cities between nations in the same power block being banned?

How that help, the attacker would just take those cities anyway. I do think a rule that states you can't attack anyother teams cities until a certain date would be nice. That would prevent one players civ that might be surrounded by two to three civs of another player from being ganging up on early.

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	30-08-2003 19:17									#7
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It wouldn't help in terms of war but could be used for exploits, say I built Leo's then gifted the city around to get cheap upgrades for all 4 nations, among other possible exploits.

I'm ok with no war untill a certain date, aslong as you don't push things too far, like move a load of millitary next to my capital or Lux type behaviours,

	31-08-2003 04:06									#8
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quote: Originally posted by OPD Sent It wouldn't help in terms of war but could be used for exploits, say I built Leo's then gifted the city around to get cheap upgrades for all 4 nations, among other possible exploits. I'm ok with no war untill a certain date, aslong as you don't push things too far, like move a load of millitary next to my capital or Lux type behaviours,

No Lux type behaviors sounds good.

What would be a good date to have a moritorium on wars till?

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	31-08-2003 23:40									#9
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Don't really mind about wars aslong as not too early, we could say something like after first wonder is built?

what do you think about no wars, city gifting etc,????

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	31-08-2003 23:42									#10
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	01-09-2003 00:38									#11
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where?

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	01-09-2003 01:11									#12
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How about no wars until 0 ad? That gives even a horrible postition time to organize. How about a civ cannot gift a city away that it has received in as a gift. So it can be done only once for that city. I can see some instances where a person may want to shift one nation to a larger area and gift 2-4 cities to another civ as it may be more central to that one.

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	01-09-2003 01:24									#13
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sounds cool, 0 ad it is,

how about a general no using exploits that arise from having control of multiple nations rule ,

are sheilds preserved when cities are gifted? I was thinking of gifting cities to ind civs just before they build a worker

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	01-09-2003 02:02									#14
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quote: Originally posted by OPD are sheilds preserved when cities are gifted? I was thinking of gifting cities to ind civs just before they build a worker

1) No attacking other civs until 0 ad.


I was planning on giving all workers to my Industrious civs though.

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	01-09-2003 22:44									#15
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I was planning on letting my ind civs build all my workers and the other 2 build all my stlrs

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	02-09-2003 00:48									#16
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How about no founding cities where their 20 tile radius will compete with another civ's existing city radius?

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My Vikings got tired and settled in the middle of a desert.

	04-09-2003 14:26									#17
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I haven't got the save ,

don't know whether I sent it and didn't post or didn't get this last one........

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All send you the last one I had.

	04-09-2003 18:15									#19
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no cities within enemy radius unless at war???

My expansionist civ is also screwed in terms of land,

	07-09-2003 03:53									#20
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quote: Originally posted by OPD My expansionist civ is also screwed in terms of land,

Until 0 AD. I have one civ on an island so small they've all explored it. The whole thing. With one Warrior. And don't even start me on the Vikings.............

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	07-09-2003 14:00									#21
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lol, already explored it all. better start that GL prebuild.

I haven't popped any huts so far with a scout although I have been kinda lucky with another nation

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	07-09-2003 22:20									#22
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I haven't received it yet. That island civ I've pretty much written off. They got space for maybe two average cities. The Vikings are at a huge disadvantage. I will have to win with 2.5 civs!

	08-09-2003 15:45									#23
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yeah a got a notification of email delay,

2 city island thats tough I guess we should do something to even things out???

	08-09-2003 17:10									#24
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I had thought about the gifting cities idea you have been discussing but it then occured to me that all the cultural city improvements will be destroyed when the city is handed over won't they? So no temples, libraries, etc and GW's won't generate culture for any civ except the original builder. Also the cultural border will collapse. Or am I missing something here?

	08-09-2003 18:42									#25
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You are definately right about the GWs creating no culture for any other civ. I am unsure as to whether cultural borders collapse when a city is gifted. I'll make a little test scenario to see what happens...

	08-09-2003 20:03									#26
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I wonder if food storage is reset when a gifted city is recieved?

I'm guessing production has to be reset...
But even so if you were to build capitals relatively close you could gift all cities of all four nations around each turn and as commerce is after diplo in the turn order, I'm pretty sure you could therefore quadruple commerce

	10-09-2003 00:20									#27
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Yeah, you would lose all culture producing improvements and the city "remembers" how much culture each civ that has owned it has generated there and has radius in accordance with its owner.

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	10-09-2003 14:40									#28
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so how would you like to balance starts then Ghengis?

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quote: Originally posted by OPD so how would you like to balance starts then Ghengis?

No need, if I get wiped out I'll just blame on the starts and claim "there's no way OPD could have beat me. It was the map..............."

Sorry for the delay, I found a game more addictive than Civ3 and it took a lot of effort for me to take the cd out of the computer..............

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