28-08-2003 06:09									#1
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This is not bill.

	28-08-2003 06:29									#2
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What the heck is "sdts"?

	28-08-2003 06:30									#3
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree What the heck is "sdts"?

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	28-08-2003 06:34									#4
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I would have voted "SDTS" but it sounded too much like "STDs"

--Togas

	28-08-2003 08:30									#5
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A moderate number of cats is part of the recommended daily composition of any well balanced army.

	28-08-2003 08:47									#6
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NYE I agree with you. A few cats can be expectionally good. They can be used for many different things. Starving cities, disconnecting luxiries and resources and damaging units.

	28-08-2003 09:24									#7
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As of right now, the cats are coming from the lower production cities, mostly because you don' t need a Barracks to build them.

I would like to get a few more Cats built before the war, but time is pressing and we can't wait too much longer to start the war. CFC will likely wait only some much longer before they will sue for peace.

E_T

	28-08-2003 09:27									#8
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Unless GCA delays its assault on Yun and ultimately fails to capture the city before we attack, there's very little chance of CFC remaining at war with GCA.

	28-08-2003 12:31									#9
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One Catapult a Day Keeps GCA Away!

	30-08-2003 02:12									#10
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Build Cats, Save Lives!

	30-08-2003 02:46									#11
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hmmmn no

The usefulness of cats depends on the number of troops involved in the war. The more units involved the more times bombardments can take place.

The real cost of building catapults is not the sheilds it is the units that could be built instead.

As with most things in civ it comes down to maths.

Probable number of bombardments, expected hits, the fact that our attacking units are superior to their defending units, 2 cats equals one MI, will 2 cats do more or less damage than 1 MI.... etc

IMO in order for cats to be viable each one must take hp's off an enemy spearman, the war will involve 15 - 20 units if I'm not mistaken which I don't think is enough to make cats worthwhile so no. A reg archer would do more damage than a cat in this war.

	30-08-2003 02:55									#12
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I'm not thinking that way at all, i.e., using them offensively. I just want them to accompany our slowmovers, and assist in town garrisons.

	30-08-2003 04:03									#13
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Cats could be pretty effective in disrupting GCA active defense tactic- they have lots of fastmovers attacking from the cities, and we know they used this tactic before, preffering an attack from a safe spot. Cats could mean GCA would hesitate with attacks against our stacks, thus giving us enough time to bring our MI's to bear- after all, this is our main weakness, isn't it? we have few Def. units, and rely on our deestating offensive punch to win the day, bringing some cats with us can certainly help us achieve this goal, IMO.

	30-08-2003 04:36									#14
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This is a silly poll (sorry... )

Of course we should build Catapults. We should also build Medieval Infantry, Pikemen, Knights, Libraries, Marketplaces and Wonders.

The question needs to be reformulated as: "Should we build Catapults instead of X". Currently, I can imagine values for X which make me vote 'no', especially considering that we're going to be on the offensive where Cats are not very spectacular.


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	30-08-2003 05:11									#15
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And seeing as Catapults were already being built, doubly silly.

We will not depend on them to wear down GCA defenses, but they will accompany our stacks to have a shot at the odd road (preventing quick GCA attacks and retreats with Horsemen), and help defend said stacks by hopefully taking off an hp from an attacker before they even start.

Plus they are being built in cities with few shields, and it is always a good tactic when preparing for war to have those cities building cheap-ass artillery.

	31-08-2003 08:13									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Togas I would have voted "SDTS" but it sounded too much like "STDs" --Togas

We can build those for the war too.

	31-08-2003 21:10									#17
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