28-08-2003 09:48									#1
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95805,00.html

Go to the second video link, titled Video: 'Put it Back'

It's worth it.

	28-08-2003 10:54									#2
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quote: In neighboring Mississippi, Democratic Gov. Ronnie Musgrove and Republican gubernatorial candidate Haley Barbour said they want the monument if Alabama does not. Musgrove said he would display it in the Capitol for a week, and hoped other states would do the same. Barbour said he'd like to have it for the governor's mansion.

Cheap pandering bastards!

	28-08-2003 14:06									#3
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quote: "Get your hands off our God, God haters!" yelled the wildly gesturing, red-faced man who initiated the chanting.

Fundies need to read the bible more.

1 Samuel 4:3

"When the soldiers returned to camp, the elders of Israel asked, "Why did the LORD bring defeat upon us today before the Philistines? Let us bring the ark of the LORD's covenant from Shiloh, so that it [1] may go with us and save us from the hand of our enemies."

The symbol of God does not equal God. Just as moving the symbol cannot confer God's blessings, neither does moving the symbol take them away.

	28-08-2003 14:32									#4
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Hey! Fundies breaking one of the ten commandments. I love it when that happens.

	28-08-2003 16:12									#5
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 The symbol of God does not equal God.

That is exactly what fundies are: they mix up the symbol and the concept itself, the letter and the spirit, the mean and the goal.

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obiwan

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Dudes, you got to watch the video itself, not just the article. That's the good part.

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But it doesn't work for me.

	28-08-2003 20:21									#9
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Then you are doomed to live an incomplete life.

	28-08-2003 20:22									#10
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It's Ok, someones mum is going to strip for me to cheer me up.

	28-08-2003 20:25									#11
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man. this guy... man.

didn't seem like chanting, and wasn't really prayerful, either.

	28-08-2003 20:51									#12
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And the other idiot : I feel your pain brother!

	28-08-2003 22:11									#13
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 Fundies need to read the bible more. 1 Samuel 4:3 "When the soldiers returned to camp, the elders of Israel asked, "Why did the LORD bring defeat upon us today before the Philistines? Let us bring the ark of the LORD's covenant from Shiloh, so that it [1] may go with us and save us from the hand of our enemies." The symbol of God does not equal God. Just as moving the symbol cannot confer God's blessings, neither does moving the symbol take them away.

exactly

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quote: Originally posted by MikeH But it doesn't work for me.

it didn't do it for me either. New i should have stayed with filthy encounters of the 69th kind part 42.

	28-08-2003 22:22									#15
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Thanks for brightening my day.

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I watched the video . . . . . .


there are plenty more pathetic people where he came from.

	29-08-2003 13:54									#17
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Well I'll be.

Mr. Fun and Sava agreeing with me in the same thread.

	29-08-2003 15:51									#18
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"What you plan on doing?"
"Yelling!"

	29-08-2003 20:16									#19
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 Well I'll be. Mr. Fun and Sava agreeing with me in the same thread.

I should have known you were tricking me to do SOMETHING.

	29-08-2003 20:21									#20
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He was a tad bent out of shape.

	29-08-2003 20:25									#21
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 The symbol of God does not equal God. Just as moving the symbol cannot confer God's blessings, neither does moving the symbol take them away.

Very true.

But symbols can still be nice in some situations.

	29-08-2003 22:25									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Dry That is exactly what fundies are: they mix up the symbol and the concept itself, the letter and the spirit, the mean and the goal.

You are the master of generalizations.

	29-08-2003 22:45									#23
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What was the problem with the monument? Why is it being removed? Did someone complain about it? It doesn't say in the Fox report.

	29-08-2003 22:57									#24
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There's a whole lengthy thread on it - "the Alabama Supreme Court"

In short, it was installed after hours, someone sued, a Federal judge ordered it's removal on grounds of being an unconstitutional state endorsement of religion, the order was stayed during appeals, the appeals were lost, then the CJ of the Alabama Supreme Court announced he had no intention of complying with the removal order and issued an administrative directive to the building staff that the order to remove it was to be ignored. The other 8 justices of the Alabama Supreme Court countermanded the CJ's order, and said they'd comply with the Federal court's order to move it. It got moved, and that's what the guy in the video was yelling about.

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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat a Federal judge ordered it's removal on grounds of being an unconstitutional state endorsement of religion

Does the US constitution forbid religious monuments? I thought it just said that people could worship whatever they liked (ie. freedom of religion)?

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the problem is that the monument is inside the grounds of the court.


@ the video. "Get your hands off my god!"

	29-08-2003 23:21									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh Does the US constitution forbid religious monuments? I thought it just said that people could worship whatever they liked (ie. freedom of religion)?

As a couple of people have already explained, there is a difference between a state government sponsoring a religion, and individuals being free to worship whichever religion they so choose.

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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh Does the US constitution forbid religious monuments? I thought it just said that people could worship whatever they liked (ie. freedom of religion)?

The U.S. government can't endorse a relgion, and having the monument displayed in the rotunda of a government building is tantamount to endorsing Judeo-Christian beliefs (which is what the judge intended).

However, he also did not seek approval or go through any official channels to place the monument there--he just paid for it himself and had it delivered privately. If anyone thinks that's acceptable, I'm going to go drop all the furniture I don't want from my move on the steps of city hall and defy anyone to remove it.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov The U.S. government can't endorse a relgion, and having the monument displayed in the rotunda of a government building is tantamount to endorsing Judeo-Christian beliefs (which is what the judge intended).

Doesn't the US have 'In God we trust' on its money? Is that gone now?

Besides, why can't the US govt endorse a specific religion?

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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh Doesn't the US have 'In God we trust' on its money? Is that gone now?

This was inserted in the 1950s by right-wingers during the Communist scare. At the same time they inserted "under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance. No, they shouldn't be there. But they are non-denominational statements, not endorsing any particular doctrine or dogma.

quote: Besides, why can't the US govt endorse a specific religion?

Because it's in the Constitution. The Founding Fathers didn't want any religion being state-sanctioned for fear it would lead to much of the religious intolerance their forefathers had encountered in Europe.