29-08-2003 02:57									#31
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Well, I would be willing to see Atlanta burned again, but not to have Bush re-elected.

NO! It's the only city that's reasonably civilized in this part of the South. Burn Jacksonville instead!

quote: 12 months later, and Bush wins by the slimests margins in the elctoral college and looses the popular vote.

Don't you mean slimiest?

	29-08-2003 03:01									#32
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quote: Originally posted by el freako It's not in recovery, it's just not getting any worse at the moment. You will have to see growth of above 4% for a year for there to be any noticeable recovery - and I don't see that happening untill household's balance sheets have been substantially improved.

The growth rates for last quarter are in, and the economy grew at more than 3%, which is quite impressive.

	29-08-2003 03:19									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant Sava, You have to quit reading those communist polls, this is bad enough being USA today but I knew you wouldn't accept a poll by FOX, even if it said the same thing.

I wouldn't trust anything Fox says. Whenever they say "fair and balanced", I think of the line from Shakespear:"Me thinks she protests too much". Thank got they lost that copyright infringement case. There's a principle in law that if your caught lying once, all your testimony is disregarded, I think Fox qualifies.

	29-08-2003 03:24									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Clear Skies It's like saying 'the war is over!' and having people stood around going 'what war...?'

What war is over? I don't remember any peace treaties being signed or POWs being released...

	29-08-2003 03:30									#35
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Polls are crap because most people are ignorant and believe anything the government tells them. I agree with elijah.

	29-08-2003 03:58									#36
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quote: They were calling Gore far ahead of Bush last election.

And they were right

	29-08-2003 13:49									#37
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Polls are funny beasts. You could get the majority to admit the existence of UFOs if you had the right questions.

They are a useful tool, but very little can be predicted even with a completely accurate snapshot in one point in time.

	29-08-2003 14:22									#38
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quote: Originally posted by DanS While I would agree that "it's the economy, stupid" really means "it's the unemployment rate, stupid" for the purposes of presidential politics, the economy certainly is in recovery. It is growing.

The economy is growing at or below it's trend rate (3% to 3.5%), growth at that level means that unemployment is likely to stay the same, if not slowly rise.

quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The growth rates for last quarter are in, and the economy grew at more than 3%, which is quite impressive.

It's not that impressive after a recession actually, and as that is the long term trend growth rate it means that (drum roll) things aren't getting any worse but the're not improving either.

Also much of that 3.1% growth came from spending by the armed forces during the iraq adventure - if you exclude that then growth was a paltry 1.4%

	29-08-2003 18:43									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Zogby tends to be slanted towards the Democrats, or at least they were last election. They were calling Gore far ahead of Bush last election. I remember according to Zogby for 2000, even if Bush had won all the the "could go either way" States they had polled, Gore would still have a comfortorable electoral majority. The Truth turned out to be a little different.

That's not true. Zogby has consistently been one of the most accurate polling outfits. Just prior to the 200 election, their numbers were Gore with 49% and Bush with 48%. That's nearly pinpoint accuracy, considering Gore did win the popular vote.

	29-08-2003 19:05									#40
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quote: Originally posted by elijah Popularity is only a measure of how much you can appeal to the idiocy of the masses. It should not form the basis of a system of government.

Democracy is the best form of government...

	29-08-2003 19:10									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Democracy is the best form of government...

In certain situations. Different governments are suited to different times and circumstances.

	29-08-2003 19:12									#42
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Well if you are going to be picky about it...

	29-08-2003 19:16									#43
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It's not being picky. Saying Democracy is the best form of government just isn't always true. And best for whom is another question.

	29-08-2003 20:21									#44
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OMG -- Boris still comes to Apolyton!!!!!!!!

	29-08-2003 20:36									#45
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quote: Originally posted by orange And they were right

Popular vote wise, it was near a statistical tie. But according to Zogby polls, it should have been unwinnable ELECTORALLY for Bush as well.

	29-08-2003 22:42									#46
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Zogby called the 2000 election fine.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=299

quote: John G. Craig Jr., editor Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, "The polls were right?.In each instance, the actual vote was almost a perfect match for the (Zogby) poll-projected total. The exception was Florida, where the (Zogby) tracking data had Gore ahead by 3 percentage points. But even this was within the margin of error."