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Defiant is offline Defiant
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Most say Iraq war was worth fighting
By Richard Benedetto, USA TODAY
CRAWFORD, Texas — The news from Iraq is mostly bad, and criticism of President Bush from Democrats is relentless. But nearly two-thirds — 63% — of Americans say the war in Iraq was worth fighting, a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll shows. (Related: Full poll results)
That is not to say, however, that they are fully satisfied with the way things are going.

Overall, 54% say the president does not have a clear plan for the postwar effort to bring stability and democracy to the country. The U.S. death toll continues to mount in Iraq.

Americans are basically split over whether more U.S. troops are needed to bolster existing forces or soldiers should start coming home:

• 51% say send more troops or keep the force at current levels.

• 46% say start withdrawing some troops or pull them all out.

Fifty-seven percent say they believe the war in Iraq is part of the overall war on terrorism. Bush has repeatedly made that argument, and the poll suggests his message is getting through.

Bush's handling of the Iraq situation is approved by 57%, down slightly from 60% a month ago; 66% approve of his handling of terrorism in general.

And 59% approve of the job he is doing overall, a range he has maintained for more than a month, regardless of the ups and downs of the news from Iraq. The president's highest job approval this year was 71% in mid-April, shortly after the statue of Saddam Hussein was toppled in Baghdad.

"Americans are patient. They expected the postwar effort to be difficult, and they are still willing to give the president more latitude and more time. But their patience is not infinite," says Karlyn Bowman, a polling analyst at the American Enterprise Institute.

If the election were held today, the poll shows Bush would defeat an unnamed Democrat, 51%-39%, among registered voters. That's a slight gain from the 48%-40% that was measured in late July. Other polls taken last week showed the race closer. One had the Democrat slightly ahead.

Although the White House might be encouraged about the Iraq and re-election numbers, it could be concerned about Bush's low ratings on domestic affairs. Democrats are expected to make an all-out assault on his handling of concerns at home.

Overall, 52% disapprove of Bush's handling of the economy. He has negative ratings on health care and Medicare, issues that are generally Democratic strengths. And the latest budget deficit projections, which show the shortfall running at record levels, appear to have hurt Bush. The poll shows 55% disapprove of his handling of the deficit, up from 45% in March.

The poll, taken Monday-Tuesday, of 1,009 adults has an error margin of +/-3 percentage points; the margin is +/-4 points on the re-election question

All in all not too bad, however the economy needs work.

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One has to acknowledge that Bush's rating has, and remains, higher than any other president.

Essentially, he's competing against himself.

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he's popular all right.

too bad i'm still voting against him. i don't like voting against someone. i want to vote for someone, but there's nobody i want to vote for.

ugh. american politics these days.

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hmmmm recent polls I've seen on the news say 69% say the US is bogged down in Iraq... and 49% say Bush should not be re-elected while 44% say he should be...

oh yeah, and before you start valuing those polls about Iraq and the war on terror, need I remind you that over 50% of people thought the hijackers were Iraqi... none were.

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Well the economy has been in recovery, so hopefully we will soon see an unemployment fall to follow it. If that happens the Democrats will be in trouble.

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Sava,
You have to quit reading those communist polls, this is bad enough being USA today but I knew you wouldn't accept a poll by FOX, even if it said the same thing.

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Also,
Tomato, Tomoto, Iraq, Saudi, is there really a big difference.

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oh yeah, and before you start valuing those polls about Iraq and the war on terror, need I remind you that over 50% of people thought the hijackers were Iraqi... none were.


It was 2 years ago, but I don't honestly remember anything ever being said about the hijackers being from Iraq.
Certainly not over 50% of people, whoever "people" is supposed to be.
Not that I would doubt your word for a minute.
If you say it, I'm sure it has to be based on facts, of some kind.

Lord knows you're never full of ****.

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According to Zogby (the most reliable polling organization), Shrub is considerably worse off than you make him out to be.

Consider:
-Shrub vs. Any Democrat is 43%-43%
-And his approval rating is only 52%, about the same as just prior to 9/11
-And only 45% want to re-elect him, while 48% want someone new(http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=728)
-Also, Gephardt has a 6 point lead over Shrub (http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=5603)

Give Dean a few more months, and he'll probably have a lead over Shrub also.

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You know how stupid it is to bastardize someone's name, Rollo?

It doesn't take a lot of brain activity.

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It was 2 years ago, but I don't honestly remember anything ever being said about the hijackers being from Iraq.
Certainly not over 50% of people, whoever "people" is supposed to be.
Not that I would doubt your word for a minute.
If you say it, I'm sure it has to be based on facts, of some kind.

Lord knows you're never full of ****.
yup... you have no relevant points, so I am full of ****... great argument

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You know how stupid it is to bastardize someone's name, Rollo?

It doesn't take a lot of brain activity.


But it's so fun, SlowwBrain.

I'm so used to typing Shrub, that it's unnatural to type Bush.

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If that is the best you guys have against Bush, go for it.

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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Zogby tends to be slanted towards the Democrats, or at least they were last election. They were calling Gore far ahead of Bush last election. I remember according to Zogby for 2000, even if Bush had won all the the "could go either way" States they had polled, Gore would still have a comfortorable electoral majority. The Truth turned out to be a little different.

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And, keep in mind, the campaign hasn't started. Bush is gaining a huge monetary lead over his rivals, and unlike his rivals won't have to spend any of his money on the primary. Whoever the Democratic nominee is will face a huge fundraising disadvantage.

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Latest polls I saw had him at 56% approval, his lowest since 9/11.

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I'm telling you Che, you have to lean a little more right to be correct from those communist polls you are watching.

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I'm telling you Che, you have to lean a little more right to be correct from those communist polls you are watching.


Salon, while it may be progressive, is hardly commie. I don't even bother posting commie stuff here.

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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Latest polls I saw had him at 56% approval, his lowest since 9/11.


And did this poll you saw also give 44% for Noam Chomsky?

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It looks good for Bush.

Greenspan, the GSEs and the tax cuts have pushed for a last hurray of the bubble economy. Might last long enough to get Bush on a recovery story.

The Iraq fiasco doesn't count as long as the crucial propaganda lies stick.

And the democrats are hopelessly lame and will be viciously outspent.

So say it with me: "FOUR MORE YEARS!"

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So basically the trend is DOWNWARD for Bush since 9/11...good news people, good news. Since we have over a year to go, plenty of time for Bush to keep going down, if the trend of the past few months continues.

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Popularity is only a measure of how much you can appeal to the idiocy of the masses. It should not form the basis of a system of government.

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Lincoln's reelection chance didn't look good in 1864 either. But Sherman burnt down Atlanta and he won!

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Well, I would be willing to see Atlanta burned again, but not to have Bush re-elected.

Also, in late 1999, I remember hearing how Bush would win the popular vote by several percentage points cause golly, look how likeable he was compared to wooden Gore. 12 months later, and Bush wins by the slimests margins in the elctoral college and looses the popular vote.

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Well the economy has been in recovery, so hopefully we will soon see an unemployment fall to follow it. If that happens the Democrats will be in trouble.


It's not in recovery, it's just not getting any worse at the moment.
You will have to see growth of above 4% for a year for there to be any noticeable recovery - and I don't see that happening untill household's balance sheets have been substantially improved.

I don't expect any significant fall in US unemployment (say to below 5.5%) untill 2007.

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It's not in recovery, it's just not getting any worse at the moment.


While I would agree that "it's the economy, stupid" really means "it's the unemployment rate, stupid" for the purposes of presidential politics, the economy certainly is in recovery. It is growing.

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Since when was the US economy in recession? Note how 'recovery' is trumpeted all over the news...but recovery from what? Any recession gets hushed up instantly. It's like saying 'the war is over!' and having people stood around going 'what war...?'

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Look, just because you have a secret crush on MTG, does not mean that everyone on Apolyton should vote for him for any political office.

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Popularity is only a measure of how much you can appeal to the idiocy of the masses. It should not form the basis of a system of government.


such an unfailing elitist.

 
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