29-08-2003 02:03									#1
	harmless planet busters Enter the AD-FREE zone

I have hust finished another transcend-ironman game where I got little bored, so I mass produced quantum and later singularity planet busters. As the next thing I repeled the UN charter and than launched a mass nuke attack against my most dangerous enemy. After five turns and some 30 nuclear explosions later I checked my bases for ecological damage and it was still zero (except in three bases, but they were allready high-producing) instead being higer for about 150 units. And I really hoped for massive mindworm invasion.
Also the enemy continent was just a bunch of atols now . As I remember in some earlier games just after using several nukes ecological damage would suddenly skyrocket, as it is supposed to be, but it wasn`t so important because all factions would be wiped in a year or two. But now I remembered that I didn`t repel the UN Charter in that cases so I can only conclude that atrocities add to ecological damage only if the UN Charter is in power. Can anyone reply if he has encountered this because this is stupid (since when does ecological damage depend on global politics)?

	29-08-2003 03:20									#2
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Yep. Atrocities add to eco damage. When UN charter is repealed no atrocoties thus no eco damage from playing with the gloves off.

Doesn't have to make sense. It just is.

	31-08-2003 18:47									#3
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That surprises me.

I was pretty sure that even if you repeal the UN Charter, ecodamage occurs. Maybe I'm wrong but I thought the only real benefit of repealing the UN Charter was to make sure that you didn't get six factions all declaring war on you and cutting you off from their Commerce.

	01-09-2003 12:40									#4
	Remove this text

If it makes you feel better, the nukes still can cause global warming OR nuclear winter. In a game I played with my brother H'Minee had made an alliance with Svensgaard, and we had to fight an uphill battle to undo their vast territories. I resorted at one point to a few nukes, and sure enough, the water levels began to rise.

I imagine that made Svensgaard happier than I intended

	01-09-2003 13:06									#5
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

That's always been one of the things that made me laugh about SMAC. As long as the humans have agreed atrocities are ok, the planet doesn't mind either .

	01-09-2003 16:53									#6
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I always thought there should be fewer penalties for atrocities.

	02-09-2003 06:18									#7
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Allie et.al.

Eco dmage IIRC exists from too many mins but not necessarily from terracts (i.e. atrocities).

OTOH its been quite a while since I delved into it but I beleive the UN charter recall saves all from planet reprisals due to atrocity, downside still exists tho' that you can never force a victim into submission pacts.