29-08-2003 04:47									#1
	Help With Computer War Got spare money?

Just wondering how the heck to get out of war with a few computers...

I've ben owning this game pretty hard and then 5-6 out of 10 computers declare war on me (everyone was furious/annoyed)...

This in itself did not bother me as all but 2 are on another continent and by the time their galleys drop them off on my continent i've had 4-5 turns warning...

whats really pissing me off however is that the 2 computer countries that ARE on my island wont peace with me...

They've been sending wave after wave of offensive units which i have been killing off with minimum casualties (we are talking 5-1 or 10-1 thiers killed versus mine killed)... and this has been going on for at least 20 turns... they have yet to raze or take a city of mine and the same goes for me (hard to do when your getting gang pounded)... i must be totally shield raping them as they send wave after wave of 3 hp knights only to get slaughtered yet they want li 15 gpt my entire treasury and 2 sciences to declare peace... WTF!

If someone could clarify what effects other countries happiness towards you (furious etc) and how the heck i'm supposed to get out of a war like this please tell... its realyl annoying cause all the countries that are behind me in tech are raping me while the few that are at peace with me get a 3-4 tech lead...

	29-08-2003 05:12									#2
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Are you getting GLs out of it at least?

Go on the offensive.

	29-08-2003 05:20									#3
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The best way to to take at least one city from them and post troops on the next one. If it has been 20 turns they will strike a deal. It helps if you are considered strong compared to them. If they have alliances or MPP it will be a problem. If MPP you need to get both to stop or you will be right back at it.
It sounds like one of my favorite conditions. Send me foder for the GL process, thank you very much.
Build an army with a leader to punish them.

	29-08-2003 06:37									#4
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The AI seems to get pissed if you don't trade with them, even if they have nothing to offer you. Its best then to take some gold in exchange, especially for the more aggressive opponents. And yes, taking a city will put an otherwise stupid warmongerer in their place.

	29-08-2003 14:01									#5
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Consider buying peace from one of them and ally with him against the other. Expensive but worth it.

An alternative is to fight a strictly defensive war until you have stockpiled enough units to take one city from one of them. A peace treaty should be cheaper by then. Then ally with him against your other neighbour.

As you can see I strongly recommend an alliance, that will eventually allow you to trash one of them, the next one can be taken when you feel like it , then you will own your continent and your worries will be far less.

	01-09-2003 00:39									#6
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hi ,

Bashaer , can you attach a screenshot or a save , ......

that would really help a lot , .....

have a nice day

	01-09-2003 14:57									#7
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ah, consolidate, and then go get the bastards... and leave there cities in ruins.....

(ok so I have a thing for cities in ruins at the moment)

	01-09-2003 19:07									#8
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If the AI thinks its winning, or has a fair chance at winning, their asking price for peace might be extremely high.

Usually, when taking an AI on one-on-one, and after destroying so many units.. they are eager to make peace and maybe give in to some gold or gpt demands to sign it.

But I guess with you fighting 5-6 AIs at once, the AI destimate your chances of survival at pretty low. Taking or razing even one city will defintely change the AI's mind..

Similarly, the AI also takes WW into consideration. I've fought the AI in republic or democratic governments and have them beg for peace when they are suffering through WW, but as soon as they switch over to monarchy or communism, peace doesn't come as cheap as before.

All things to take into consideration when forcing the AI into peace.

	02-09-2003 04:59									#9
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Dont make peace. Destroy. Its the only option for unreasonable AI's.

	05-09-2003 02:43									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Mad Bomber Dont make peace. Destroy. Its the only option for unreasonable AI's.

hi ,

and loose all the money , .....




keep them small , keep them under control , but destroying them , no , .......

have a nice day

	05-09-2003 03:57									#11
	Increase Your PM Length

I concur, going on the offensive and taking/razing a city is often the only way to get an AI to accept peace. An attack should be quiet easy; if you've been destroying all their attackers as they invade then the AI won't have very many "offense" designated units when you attack. Hence, your troops in the field will face little resistance as they approach enemy cities.

	05-09-2003 07:33									#12
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , and loose all the money , ..... keep them small , keep them under control , but destroying them , no , ....... have a nice day

I don't mind leaving them with an Island or two (especially if I don't have any marines or berzerkers) but they must be reduced to vassal status and if they are on MY continent then Hasta Lavista , baby!

	06-09-2003 17:14									#13
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Leave their cities in ruins