29-08-2003 07:21									#1
	MSN - General discussion of future plans Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

John says:
hello
Voltaire says:
Hello
Voltaire says:
I just finished an interesting conversation with Kody.
Voltaire says:
Sorry
Voltaire says:
Vev
Voltaire says:
lol
John says:
heh
John says:
you posting it?
Voltaire says:
Unfortunately no, hopefuly he saved it...
Voltaire says:
I forgot
Voltaire says:
Which reminds me
Voltaire says:
What are your thoughts on repealing the UN charter?
John says:
I'm worried about nerve gas
Voltaire says:
From my analysis the benefits just do not exist in our situation.
John says:
it kills population
Voltaire says:
Since we will not have a need for nerve stapeling
John says:
if we repeal it at this stage
John says:
there's nothing really useful to get
Voltaire says:
Yes
Voltaire says:
The thought just crossed my mind
John says:
also it means people will be able to nerve gas us at will
Voltaire says:
True, something we do not want
John says:
On accepting this I would feel obliged to allow one of you into our forum.

We do not conduct turn chats - all decisions are made in the forum so all our discussions will be visible. I will need to clear it with the others first though.
John says:
we should let buster into our forum in turn
John says:
but we can't let his proper name in
John says:
if he gets an alias
John says:
would we let him in?
Voltaire says:
Of course...
Voltaire says:
Our relations with the Drones become crucial...
Voltaire says:
Vev pointed out that after our invasion of the University we will create a multipolar world
John says:
*nod*
Voltaire says:
With ouselves/Uni on one side, and CyCon/Pirates on the other...
Voltaire says:
The Drones will most likely side with us.
Voltaire says:
Except they're not a guarantee.
John says:
oh yeah did you get the top secret conversation I had with Jamski
Voltaire says:
Did you PM it to me?
John says:
Jamski said he sent it to you
John says:
well I was doing the calculations **************
John says:
and I managed to come up with exact ***************
Voltaire says:
No I did not get it
John says:
*grumble*
John says:
I told Jamski to send it to you
Voltaire says:
He may have e-mailed it
Voltaire says:
let me check
Voltaire says:
also
Voltaire says:
if you want to contact me with such information from now on
Voltaire says:
please use this e-mail: nerv111@shaw.ca
Voltaire says:
I seldom check my hotmail
John says:
you're usually on MSN
Voltaire says:
good point
John says:
and since we're usually running our planning 4-5 turns into the future
John says:
they're usually plenty of time
Voltaire says:
No, he has not sent me anything
John says:
okay
John says:
well this will have to be edited out
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****************************************
John says:
can we give the drones a quick loan so they can build the ME faster?
Voltaire says:
I have no objections to that
John says:
they get like 30 ECs per turn, so they'll probably be able to pay the loan back fairly fast
Voltaire says:
Speaking of the Drones
Voltaire says:
can you find out if they encountered another faction
John says:
not yet they say
Voltaire says:
Comrade Vev mentioned something to this effect
John says:
they found land
John says:
and found renamed land
Voltaire says:
Alright, so someone is near
John says:
*nod*
Voltaire says:
Also
Voltaire says:
How soon do you beleive we can have an invasion force under way?
Voltaire says:
the marshal's estimated sometime in the early 2160's
John says:
depends on how much we build our home base up
John says:
2160 is possible
John says:
but neglects home growth a bit
Voltaire says:
with no neglect of home growth?
John says:
how big is the invasion force?
John says:
2170 for a raiding party that might be able to take a base or two.
John says:
2180 for a full invasion I believe.
John says:
assuming we don't try and build any more SPs after the CN.
Voltaire says:
Enough to effectivly take out defenses no greater than scout patrols, something along the lines of our defenses at the moment
John says:
2170 definiately
John says:
with no neglect of home bases
Voltaire says:
perfect
John says:
movement on water might take a while
Voltaire says:
BTW how soon until we have impact infantry?
John says:
depends on tech priorities
John says:
we still have to decide what we're doing with techs
Voltaire says:
well in speaking with the marshal he stated that he would feel more secure if we were to develope impact tech first before attempting military action
Voltaire says:
do we currently have a research goal in mind?
John says:
we have two
Voltaire says:
which two?
John says:
flexibility and industrial economics
Voltaire says:
alright
John says:
I mean
Voltaire says:
impact can come after
John says:
environmental economics
John says:
environmental economics may be a while
Voltaire says:
and perhaps we can acquire it via probe after flexibility saving us the trouble of researching it
John says:
remember the hive has slow tech rate
John says:
well we're considering that
Voltaire says:
Therein lays the dilemma
Voltaire says:
if we go for impact now, and attack the Uni sooner we could take advantage of their research
Voltaire says:
on the other hand
Voltaire says:
we may not be as prepared
Voltaire says:
therefore the chances of sucess become reduced
Voltaire says:
I for one favor developing the domestic end before taking foreign action.
Voltaire says:
Nonetheless time is of issue in this case.
John says:
jamski thinks we should do alot of tech stealing
Voltaire says:
I would rather avoid it if we can...
Voltaire says:
Hence if we secure the University for ourselves, we can avoid it completely.
Voltaire says:
Independence is crucial in all matters, we should strive for self-sufficiency.
John says:
googlie has specifically tried his best to make invasion extremely hard.
Voltaire says:
I would imagine...
Voltaire says:
But we will need to do it given the fact that we cannot allow the research factions to achieve victory via transcendence easily.
Voltaire says:
BTW
Voltaire says:
do you have the last hive save?
John says:
yep
Voltaire says:
i would like to take a look at it
John says:
before I moved
John says:
or after I moved?
Voltaire says:
after would be preferable
John sends:



Transfer of "ACDG - Hive, 2132-2.zip" is complete.

John says:
yah transfer worked
John says:
I'm going to check up on planetary economics
Voltaire says:
alright
John says:
hrmm

John says:
should we go for air power
John says:
or for planetary economics etc
Voltaire says:
ohh
Voltaire says:
Air power would be tempting
Voltaire says:
but it's not useful enough unless we plan on going to war
John says:
so maybe we let the drones go after air power
John says:
and we try for the asetic vitures
John says:
and planetary energy grid
Voltaire says:
indeed
Voltaire says:
the PEG would come in rather handy
John says:
can you poll this
John says:
I think we should go mobility next
John says:
we get mobility and flexibility
John says:
while the drones go along the restriction lifting route
John says:
then we go for the planetary economics?
Voltaire says:
alright, i will poll it officialy and unofficialy
John says:
thanks
John says:
because I'm running out of time recently
Voltaire says:
no worries
John says:
and polling it officially and unofficially takes alot of that time
Voltaire says:
people wanted to get involved
Voltaire says:
i will speak to as many as i can on MSN
Voltaire says:
for the others i will ask for their opinions on the forum
John says:
*nod*
John says:
yep that's what I usually do
John says:
well add all of this to MSN chat
Voltaire says:
yes, that way others can use it as a reference if need be
John says:
remove the actual **************
John says:
well the whole section that explains our ***************
John says:
actually I'll post it
John says:
just reading buster's post
Voltaire says:
do you have the entire chat in front of you
Voltaire says:
please send it to me
Voltaire says:
since i accedentaly closed the window
John says:
yep I have
John says:
I'm going to post the entire chat minus the ********************
John says:
not ********************
John says:
other factions may ********************
Voltaire says:
alright
John says:
also the shock value
John says:
of watching the hive ********************
Voltaire says:
lol
John says:
it will be good for our standing I think
Voltaire says:
Indeed, we would prove valuable allies with the other factions after they see our ****************
John says:
lol
Voltaire says:
BTW
Voltaire says:
what's our current research rate?
John says:
drones have more **********, we have great ************
John says:
currently we're running at 8-10 turns per tech
Voltaire says:
not bad
Voltaire says:
the PEG should help that
John says:
tell people to read buster's comments
Voltaire says:
k

	29-08-2003 08:31									#2
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Some conversation that may be suitable here:

Vev says:
hello
Voltaire says:
Hello
Vev says:
it appears buster found someone else
Vev says:
well their island anyway
Vev says:
unless someone is playing a cruel joke
Voltaire says:
lol
Voltaire says:
No
Voltaire says:
I expected this...
Vev says:
any guesses who they could be?
Voltaire says:
If my analysis is correct he has encountered the University
Vev says:
those 'b's
Vev says:
bases or boreholes?
Vev says:
or bunkers
Voltaire says:
We will of course request that he share all findings with us...
Voltaire says:
And if it is the University, it makes our invasion plans all that much easier.
Voltaire says:
Since now we know where they are.
Vev says:
and probing too
Vev says:
if they are that close
Vev says:
is there any point to a disruptive raid?
Vev says:
to do a raid, e.g. kill crawlers or formers?
Voltaire says:
No
Voltaire says:
We want them intact.
Voltaire says:
The Marshal has said it can be done.
Vev says:
but we need a decent force?
Voltaire says:
We presume that the Uni has not built up their defenses...
Voltaire says:
Just as we have not.
Voltaire says:
We will need a decent force.
Voltaire says:
But nothing too major.
Voltaire says:
I have Kody working on it
Vev says:
can lasers do it?
or do we have to go for impact?
Voltaire says:
What are lasers again? 2?
Vev says:
yes
Voltaire says:
The Marshal has stated that he would preffer impact...
Voltaire says:
It would make things easier.
Voltaire says:
So we will wait.
Voltaire says:
We're not in a hurry.
Voltaire says:
This early in the game the University will not have had time to build up their defenses.
Voltaire says:
Besides
Voltaire says:
it will be a surprise attack
Vev says:
we are in a sp rush
Voltaire says:
they will not know what hit them
Vev says:
hgp, vw
I doubt we would get the third one
Vev says:
that mean PTS goes to someone else
Voltaire says:
The PTS isn't that important in this game...
Vev says:
meaning we could go for CN
Voltaire says:
We're not on a huge map...
Voltaire says:
And we want to handle the drone problem
Voltaire says:
indeed
Vev says:
hopefully the others haven't got doc:loy
Voltaire says:
Indeed
Voltaire says:
Also some good news, more rumors have appeared that the CyCon are dissatisfied with their relations with the Pirates.
Voltaire says:
This will work very well for us.
Voltaire says:
After our attack on the University we should attempt to assure favourable relations with one of the two forces.
Vev says:
once with CN should we, if possible, switch away from wealth during a mass production of attack rovers?
Voltaire says:
And then manipulate them into conflict with one another.
Voltaire says:
Yes
Voltaire says:
I agree
Vev says:
I fear that the uni may get their revenge by bribing the others with tech to attack us
Vev says:
e.g. pirates
Voltaire says:
That won't occur
Voltaire says:
For several reasons
Voltaire says:
Our attack on them will be quick, the Marshal expect a surrender within a few turns at the most
Voltaire says:
We will replace Archaic with General Tactius
Voltairesays:
And we will also keep one of their bases as a guarantee that they do not attempt to revolt
Voltaire says:
alos
Voltaire says:
*also
Voltaire says:
we will demand that the university have no real military
Voltaire says:
we will provide the necessary defense for them
Voltaire says:
they will only be allowed police
Vev says:
this implies a pact?
Voltaire says:
Yes
Voltaire says:
The University would serve the purpose of providing us with research
Voltaire says:
with their tech
Voltaire says:
and our industrial might
Voltaire says:
we will be unstopable
Vev says:
if they are running free-market, their garrison would mainly prevent sneak mindworm attacks?
Voltaire says:
Essentialy
Voltaire says:
Most likely they have scouts acting as police
Voltaire says:
something akin to what we have
Voltaire says:
with impact weapons we will be able to take them out quickly
Vev says:
currently, it is the tech dilemma we are facing
Voltaire says:
Indeed, that is why I proposed this solution...
Voltaire says:
It would solve our tech problems preminantly.
Voltaire says:
And it prevents the Pirates/CyCon/Uni from joining forces.
Voltaire says:
Such a possibility seems remote.
Voltaire says:
But just in case, we cannot risk it.
Vev says:
so far we are doing a good job reliving the 'iron curtain' isolationist policy, although not by choice
Voltaire says:
True, though I think that if nothing else a cold war will make the game interesting.
Voltaire says:
With ourselves, the subdued University, and Drones on one side...
Voltaire says:
And the Pirates/CyCon on the other.
Voltaire says:
Though the Drones are a wild card...
Voltaire says:
We cannot guarantee their cooperation
Voltaire says:
IMO they will side with us...
Voltaire says:
lol
Vev says:
we both need each others help
Vev says:
at the moment
Voltaire says:
Perhaps we should even call our little alliance something akin to the Warsaw pact
Voltaire says:
What I am interested in securing the position of planetary governor for our faction
Voltaire says:
and creating a council outside the game that could pass resolutions
Voltaire says:
we would effectivly dominate the UN
Vev says:
just need to gain more votes than those pesky AI
Voltaire says:
True
Voltaire says:
Well if the Uni, and Drones vote for us we should be set
Voltaire says:
Out of game Googlie can RP the AI
Vev says:
Googlie says that the AI should win any election within 2175
Voltaire says:
True, but population votes only count for planetary governor elections
Voltaire says:
nothing else
Voltaire says:
all other decisions are one faction, one vote
Vev says:
so should a council be held now, it will be between miriam and roze
Vev says:
does the AI ever veto stuff?
Voltaire says:
I've seen it done
Voltaire says:
Granted
Voltaire says:
Only once or twice
Voltaire says:
since most of the time I'm planetary governor
Voltaire says:
Out of curiosity
Voltaire says:
what's your opinion on repealing the UN charter?
Vev says:
interesting can of worms
Voltaire says:
We would have 3 votes guaranteed
Vev says:
does it mean we can nervestaple without loss of trade?
Voltaire says:
ourselves, uni (after we subdue them), and miriam (most likely)
Voltaire says:
yes
Voltaire says:
exactly
Voltaire says:
We need to get the drones on side
but they would most likely oppose such a move
Vev says:
yeah
Voltaire says:
where's Colonel Santiago when you need her
Vev says:
mostly likely something about 'nervegas'
Voltaire says:
hmm
I will need to get Kody to soften the Drones up on issues like that
Vev says:
would there be a need to perform an emergency nervestaple to prevent probe attacks?
Vev says:
and what happens with repeated nervestapling?
Voltaire says:
I don't think we will need to nervestaple
Voltaire says:
in fact we are operating on the premise that we will not need to do it
Voltaire says:
so i beleive kody has taken this into account
Voltaire says:
and hence it shouldn't be necessary
Voltaire says:
as for repeated nervestaples
Voltaire says:
i'm not sure
Voltaire says:
i've never done it
Vev says:
I don't seem to nervestaple either, maybe I should play a game where the AI has the happy SPs
Voltaire says:
indeed i should try that as well
Voltaire says:
i've never had a need for it
Voltaire says:
once or twice when i started out
Voltaire says:
but now things are managed well enough that there are no drone problems for the most part

Last edited by Vev on 29-08-2003 at 09:51

	29-08-2003 18:43									#3
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Oh gosh, nervestapling our people. We are really into it, aren't we?

	26-06-2004 12:11									#4
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Heh all the edited out parts was me telling Voltaire the exact build dates of our SPs when our ETA to build was about 5 or 6 years into the future I think...