29-08-2003 07:50									#1
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Just try to watch this without laughing...

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	29-08-2003 07:59									#2
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Yeah, it was funny but a bit overdone. I've seen better ones.

You can tell from what he says that he's never used a mac or at least not enough to know what he's talking about. You can't do that to essential system files without enabling root access (which you only do if you want to **** about with ****). And most of the other stuff is BS too (like the shortcuts thing).

And as for the trash. Well if you trash files you need, you shouldn't be using a computer at all, let alone a mac. And Windows is worse. I've heard of heaps of people using the recycle bin to store stuff since they are going to use it again ("recycle" geddit?).

There's plenty to make fun of without having to invent things.

	29-08-2003 08:06									#3
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inacurrate crap

I was using root access as my primary log-in for half a year, actually, but it came back and bit me in the ass.

	29-08-2003 08:10									#4
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I somehow knew the Mac crowd would pounce on this thread. I'm only waiting for Asher now

	29-08-2003 08:10									#5
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Don't get me wrong, I like macs very much, but that doesn't mean I don't like to laugh at them.

Agathon, do you know where you've seen some of the better ones?

	29-08-2003 08:29									#6
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quote: Originally posted by iamlod Don't get me wrong, I like macs very much, but that doesn't mean I don't like to laugh at them. Agathon, do you know where you've seen some of the better ones?

No. Hunt around. There was a good one with Will Ferrell as Santa Claus (but I think Apple paid for that one as a joke).

This guy is a bit useless. I can think of funnier things to pick on like "Flower Power" and "Blue Dalmatian". Whoever thought of that sure was a moron.

	29-08-2003 08:30									#7
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 I was using root access as my primary log-in for half a year, actually, but it came back and bit me in the ass.

That's playing with fire. I almost never use root.

	29-08-2003 08:41									#8
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Indeed, it was. It all came about cause I decided to upgrade to Jaguar using my roomate's upgrade disc. Well, before I knew it, my old log in didn't work! hmmmm. So I logged in using root, and never looked back... Until I looked back. Yeah, I'm long past those times now. But it was fun while it lasted.

	29-08-2003 09:29									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon That's playing with fire. I almost never use root.

99% of home Windows users use "root" all the time -- why is it so incredibly dangerous on a Mac? Is it too easy to f*ck things up?

	29-08-2003 10:23									#10
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Warning: statistic pulled out of Asher's ass.
I've seen many XP Home users using a User identity rather the Root one. Definitely more than 1%

However, Asher's right. How come it is that dangerous to be a root user on Mac ? Aren't you warned when you're gonna delete a system file ? Does the system rename / delete system files without you noticing ?

	29-08-2003 10:25									#11
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Macs are for "creative" people, i.e. not necesaryily bright or smart or even creative, but weird or I wanna be different. People that buy Macs are the same people that buy VW Bugs or are vegans.

	29-08-2003 10:26									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Warning: statistic pulled out of Asher's ass. I've seen many XP Home users using a User identity rather the Root one. Definitely more than 1%

Doesn't matter if they're not a limited account. And I very rarely see limited accounts on home user computers.

I'd wager the percentage of people using "root" access is higher than 99% on Windows home machines.

	29-08-2003 10:27									#13
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quote: Just try to watch this without laughing...

I succeeded.

quote: 99% of home Windows users use "root" all the time -- why is it so incredibly dangerous on a Mac? Is it too easy to f*ck things up?

I've used a root login ever since the beta of OS X. No problems here.

	29-08-2003 10:43									#14
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Well, there's logins that give you full control of the whole computer, and then there's THE ROOT log-in which is rather special. I think there's been a misunderstanding. Log-ins don't work on macs quite like they do on PCs.

	29-08-2003 10:45									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I'd wager the percentage of people using "root" access is higher than 99% on Windows home machines.

When my Dell arrived with XP home, I had a limited account. I couldn't get rid of some files or even install quite a few things.
Needless to say this XP home went to the trash very quickly. It is my policy to reformat any new computer right away anyways.

	29-08-2003 10:50									#16
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quote: Well, there's logins that give you full control of the whole computer, and then there's THE ROOT log-in which is rather special. I think there's been a misunderstanding. Log-ins don't work on macs quite like they do on PCs.

I use the Administrator log-in exclusively. Maybe that's not the same as the Root login. I really wouldn't know, since you don't have to worry about this kind of **** when you use a Mac.

	29-08-2003 10:51									#17
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What can root do that a WinXP Administrator can't?

	29-08-2003 10:53									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I use the Administrator log-in exclusively. Maybe that's not the same as the Root login. I really wouldn't know, since you don't have to worry about this kind of **** when you use a Mac.

I must admit the loginmania is what irks me most in WinXP (and Linux as well). Can't these frigging OSes understand that I'm the one and only user of my PC, and that they can get rid of all the multiuser crap ?

Tsk, in the uncommon occurences where a computer is multiuser (family desktops), the Win 98 system was all right already. Why did the XP guys acted as if every computer was mutliuser ?

	29-08-2003 10:54									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I must admit the loginmania is what irks me most in WinXP (and Linux as well). Can't these frigging OSes understand that I'm the one and only user of my PC, and that they can get rid of all the multiuser crap ? Tsk, in the uncommon occurences where a computer is multiuser (family desktops), the Win 98 system was all right already. Why did the XP guys acted as if every computer was mutliuser ?

Erm, with my XP installs at home, it never asks you to log in unless:
1) There is more than one user account
2) You have set a password on your account

It just boots right to the desktop for my 'rents.

	29-08-2003 10:56									#20
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quote: Can't these frigging OSes understand that I'm the one and only user of my PC, and that they can get rid of all the multiuser crap ?

You can on Mac OS X. My computer used to automatically start up into my single user account, which was nice. I run a guest account now and have to login everytime, which is a pain, but I have guest users so I actually need it.

	29-08-2003 11:00									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It just boots right to the desktop for my 'rents.

Same here. What I can't bear is the unusual load of crap that I can't get rid of. "Shared documents" ; the many user profiles (root, all users, default, guest) which mess up my start menu.

I enjoy having control over the files in my computer, and there are just tons of useless folders that I can't get rid of at all. It irks me everytime I open the file manager.

	29-08-2003 11:03									#22
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To delete "Shared documents", follow this complicated procedure:
Step 1: Select "Shared documents"
Step 2: Press Delete
Step 3: Press Yes to confirm

To remove Guest profiles, in the User manager, select "Disable guest logins"

	29-08-2003 11:07									#23
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" I use the Administrator log-in exclusively. Maybe that's not the same as the Root login. I really wouldn't know, since you don't have to worry about this kind of **** when you use a Mac."

It's not. An administrator log-in is just a log-in with basically all the rights, while the root log-in is a back up login in case your computer gets ****ed, as mine did when I pirated Jaguar. Tricky bastards, but I got the better of em!

	29-08-2003 11:11									#24
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Guest accounts were already disabled, sorry. I mixed the noise of guest account folders with the noise from "local services" and "network services" directories.

Your suggestion to get rid of the shared documents doesn't work "Delete" doesn't even belong to the contextual menu...

And it's still shiite that XP is multiuser at its core. It goes especially against the tide, since the better affordability show that we're really on the way to have personal computers. A multiuser interface made more sense in the past than today.

	29-08-2003 11:14									#25
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 It's not. An administrator log-in is just a log-in with basically all the rights, while the root log-in is a back up login in case your computer gets ****ed

When the **** hits the fan, I always reformat. Formatting is one of the best things computers have brought to the world

	29-08-2003 12:28									#26
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quote: It just boots right to the desktop for my 'rents.

Yeah, but I always get that login crap after my computer comes off standby.

	29-08-2003 18:18									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Guest accounts were already disabled, sorry. I mixed the noise of guest account folders with the noise from "local services" and "network services" directories. Your suggestion to get rid of the shared documents doesn't work "Delete" doesn't even belong to the contextual menu...

Ohhh, that folder.
Download MS' free TweakUI, go to the My Computer option, uncheck "Files stored on this computer".

quote: And it's still shiite that XP is multiuser at its core. It goes especially against the tide, since the better affordability show that we're really on the way to have personal computers. A multiuser interface made more sense in the past than today.

I really could not disagree with you more. The fact that XP is multiuser doesn't bother me at all, in fact it's somewhat helpful. When my brother goes on since he doesn't have his computer anymore, it's in a limited account that can't see outside his own directory.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yeah, but I always get that login crap after my computer comes off standby.

So turn off "On resume, display welcome screen" in the screensaver options.

	29-08-2003 21:24									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Asher What can root do that a WinXP Administrator can't?

I've no idea.

There are three grades of user in OS X.

A "user" account disallows the user the power to write or change files to anything but their home directory. They cannot install most software or change system settings other than things like Desktop pics.

An "Administrator" account allows the user to change anything except essential system files. Most OS X users use such an account. Some powers can be expanded by using the "sudo" command through the terminal. But you can't do dumb things like accidentally delete important system files.

The "Root" account (there can be only one) is the superuser account. The root account has permission to use, change or delete any file the user wants. You don't need the root account for ordinary use and you have to use netinfo manager to enable it. In fact the only time I've ever used it was to solve a permissions issue in 10.0

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I have this in a higher quality mpeg or avi. Its funny.