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Originally posted by Dracon II
one of my opponents is a good friend... is that a problem? |
Not if you intend to stand for elected office at any time in the future. Think of it as good practice in that case.
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Edan
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Originally posted by DanS
The obvious counterpoint to that would be that Bush got a larger percentage of the vote and number of votes than did Clinton in the '92 vote. Yet he seemed to have legitimacy. |
*Blink* *Blink*
Took me two reads to realize that you meant Bush Jr, not Sr. I think Gepap is saying that within the 2000 election, Bush was not the candidate that recieved the most votes.
However, IMO, our system is designed not to give a mandate on popular vote, rather on electoral vote.
I think a better tactic is noting that within the Florida election, the margin of error far exceeded the margin that bush won by, making the results effectively a statistical tie. With the margin of error so much higher that the margin of winning, it would be impossible to be sure who truely got more votes in Florida (this is why I feel that neither Bush nor Gore "won" Florida).
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Edan
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Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
Also higher % than clinton got in 96. |
Incorrect.
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Edan
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Originally posted by GePap
It doesn;t matter if Bush got more votes in 2000 than clinton ever did: Gore got even more and he isn;t president, and that is the point folks. |
Except that legitimacy in the US electoral system doesn't stem from the popular vote, it stems from the electoral vote count - so it doesn't matter that Gore got more votes than Bush (unless one wants to argue that the system itself isn't legitimate.)
(And, as an aside, I think it's easy enough to predict that had the election results been switched, everyone would be swapping their partisan arguments..)
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Meldor
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Houston, Texas
Dec 2001
time: 23:30
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Originally posted by GePap
It doesn;t matter if Bush got more votes in 2000 than clinton ever did: Gore got even more and he isn;t president, and that is the point folks. |
Isn't it amazing that you argue that we shouldn't remember 9/11 in one thread and yet you refuse to get over the fact that the election didn't go your way the last time. Funny, the differences in what people deem to be important.
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:30
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Originally posted by Edan
But would you be calling Gore the "usurper" if the situation were switched around?   |
If the facts warrented it, yes. What offends me most about Bush isn't his politics, extreme as it might be. It's that he cheated the American people.
The vote is the most sacred and precious thing we have as citizens and Americans. People fught and died for generations so that women, and people of color, and white men without property could all have a say in how they were governed. And these people defecated on it, and smeared it around.
When I really get going about the fiasco in Florida, I go after both sides. Gore is every bit as guilty of these cheat as Bush. Remember, he thought so little of the right to vote, that he only demanded a recount in four counties, as if the votes people in the rest of the state didn't matter. They thought more of their reputation than protecting the integrity ofthe vote, so they didn't challenge almost three thousand clearly fraudulent mail-in votes, because they didn't want to be tarred as disrespecting military voters. He did not trust the American people, and I don't think that's a quality our leaders should have.
The truth of the matter is, in my mind, neither candidates showed themselves worthy of being President. Winning was more important to both of them than what the American people actually wanted. Would that I could, I should have seen both thrown into the Potomic and we hold a new election with new candidates.
The only reason I think Gore should be president is because, had the recount been done properly and completely and had there been no other fraud (the three thousand absentee ballots and the 99,000 voters who were illegally stripped of their right to vote), he would have had Florida. Hell, without the fraud, there would have been no need for a recount.
But I'd still hate him.
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