30-08-2003 04:21									#1
	Teen arrested in Blaster virus case Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...-home-headlines

This guy is incredibly stupid. He got a copy of the virus source and altered it to make a version that would register with his web site. Unfortunately, the cops make an example of this amateur while the real professionals get away.

	30-08-2003 04:25									#2
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History is full of idiots who took the blame.

	30-08-2003 04:25									#3
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That virus knocked us out at work. Out networks were totally fubared by this thing. Which tells me that our ntwork people haven't been updating the security patches like they should have been.

	30-08-2003 04:35									#4
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People amaze me sometimes. This guy clearly was at least half way intelligent enough to be able to program a little and create a website, but his common sense has gotta be down in the negatives for doing something so idiotic.

Reminds me of the guy that tried to rob a bank by writing a "give me all your money" note on one of his own cheques and then thinking they wouldn't find him .

	30-08-2003 04:41									#5
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check out http://www.synctomi.com
Their S2 product would have prevented all worms regardless of what patches were installed.

	30-08-2003 04:43									#6
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quote: "give me all your money"

Have you seen Woody Allen's 'Take the money and run'?

not quite the same, but almost, and just as funny

	30-08-2003 04:46									#7
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Actually, you do not have to be too smart to alter existing viruses. The source codes are often available for download from hacker sites and the behavior sections have been modularized to the point that someone with scripting experience and knowledge of the english language (most of this code is written and commented in english) can easily alter them.

The real clever ones are those who find the weakness and write the original exploit code. Those people are almost never caught. They do what they want with it, then release it so others will copy it. It is just one of many ways to cover their tracks.

	30-08-2003 04:48									#8
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I think they should just start shooting virus makers and hackers. That should stop em!

	30-08-2003 05:08									#9
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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man I think they should just start shooting virus makers and hackers. That should stop em!

Or life without P.

	30-08-2003 05:10									#10
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P. ?

	30-08-2003 05:42									#11
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quote: Actually, you do not have to be too smart to alter existing viruses. The source codes are often available for download from hacker sites and the behavior sections have been modularized to the point that someone with scripting experience and knowledge of the english language (most of this code is written and commented in english) can easily alter them.

Oh, I totally agree. I wasn't saying he was smart. I'm saying that I equate the level of intelligence necessary to change the code (mediocre with a few resources) to easily the level of common sense someone would need to know not write something that says "here I am catch me" (even the smallest bit of common sense will tell you that).

	30-08-2003 05:59									#12
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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man P. ?

Death by bladder burst.

	30-08-2003 06:06									#13
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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man P. ?

Parole.

	30-08-2003 06:24									#14
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Mad Monk accused me as the hacker in another thread. I don't even know computer code, genius.

	30-08-2003 06:29									#15
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quote: Originally posted by pchang check out http://www.synctomi.com Their S2 product would have prevented all worms regardless of what patches were installed.

You work for these guys?

	30-08-2003 06:32									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Odin Mad Monk accused me as the hacker in another thread. I don't even know computer code, genius.

Actually I was calling you fat and ugly, but that's okay.



(that's the "hacker")

	30-08-2003 06:33									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Joseph Parole.

I think my interpretation's better.

	30-08-2003 06:35									#18
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Actually I was calling you fat and ugly, but that's okay.

I'm over-weight, but he looks like he weighs 300 lbs.

	30-08-2003 07:13									#19
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Is that Uber??? j/k

	30-08-2003 08:42									#20
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I do some consulting for them. I'm helping them write up some patent applications.

	30-08-2003 09:14									#21
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pchang impressive company and hey MS obviously can not do it. Big bucks stick with it, that's exactly what I am doing....

	30-08-2003 09:32									#22
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When you get married and have a kid, you've got to stop living on the edge. Turn your powers toward good instead of evil.

	30-08-2003 09:39									#23
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Heh learn evil to combat evil, Seimens in Ontario is having a competition this weekend... Crack thier new security and win $15,000 free t3 internet for life and a 120 gig server for life.....

Turning to evil half these evil's will get jobs, kids unknown....

	30-08-2003 09:46									#24
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Those cracking competitions represent unrealistic scenarios. People don't bust throught the firewall because the firewall is weak. People bust through because the server app behind the firewall is weak or they find a way to go around the firewall completely. These contests are just for the publicity. They have no relation to real life use.

	30-08-2003 12:10									#25
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What ever happened to the constitutional right to destroy or damage other people's electronic property?

	30-08-2003 12:57									#26
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Let's throw them out of helicopters

	30-08-2003 16:06									#27
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Nah. Let's throw them into helicopters.

	30-08-2003 18:25									#28
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--"I do some consulting for them. I'm helping them write up some patent applications."

Maybe you can recommend they hire someone to help write up their web pages, then. Their technology may or may not be good, but with the kind of language they're using to pimp it I'd never bother actually getting a sample to find out.

Now, I think what they're selling is just a proxy server. No big deal, one way or another. But they try to make it sound like they've found the Holy Grail of network security (it already exists; it's called "wire cutters"). What they're doing isn't really new (Symantec's Raptor firewall, as an example, has been around quite a while). Their main selling point doesn't sound much (if any) different from IEEE 802.1x.

They also don't seem familiar with the concept of VLANs...

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Looking for love on all the wrong planets

	30-08-2003 18:49									#29
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I say shoot them all. i had to reinstall my xp coz of the msblast.

	31-08-2003 02:19									#30
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Yes. All Marketing Hype starts to sound alike after a while. But, the reality is that the technology is different from existing firewalls and VLANs. However, it doesn't do anything that you could not currently do with a combination of other products and the proper configuration. It just does it with one box which makes it easier (in many cases cheaper too), especially if you need to beef up an existing network.