01-09-2003 21:02									#31
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I can't tell if this is good news or bad news... And the worst part is they will be in contact with us and possibly GCA when we go to war.

	01-09-2003 21:08									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae 5. Given the proximity to Coast and the lack of improvements, I would not be surprised to see their Palace jump sometime in the near-future. Can you set up an Embassy with a civ twice?

No, and once it jumps, you are not given the map of their new capital either. See the Voxodus in PTWDG from the GS PoV

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	02-09-2003 01:07									#33
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I've posted an image of what GWT would be able to see of us in the GWT FAM thread. Check it out if you're curious.

Anyways, there's a few things that need to be done this turn (or at least should be looked at), and I don't think they've been mentioned yet.

Upgrading the rest of our Swords will cost 100 gold. The embassy was 57 gold. Upgrading BFW will cost 60 gold. Rushing the Temple in BFC to finish at the same time as the Temple in Hispanica will cost 20 gold. We don't have enough cash for all that. We will also soon need gold to rush the CH in Tripoli.

Since MZ killed the barb Warrior on the mountain this means we can move the Horseman back to AGA/B and keep BFC moving north after upgrading since there's now no direct threat to the Workers. MZ can continue looking north for the exact location of the camp.

Apolyton needs to work the game for the next 2 or 3 turns (I don't know exactly... maybe E_T can figure it out). We need the Settler in 3 turns, growth in 4.

Lux needs to be switched to Granary. 2 turns left on Catapult.

What are we building next in HoD?

	02-09-2003 01:58									#34
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Any chance we can get some gold from CFC and / or GWT?

	02-09-2003 02:23									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Any chance we can get some gold from CFC and / or GWT?

The problem is that we're about 15 over on what we need to accomplish this turn (unless we delay one of the Sword -> MI upgrades to next turn, but then it's irrelevant because we'll make another 35 gold then). If we wait until next turn then we'll have enough then.

We should definitely look into getting some gold from CFC though. They got about 200 gold and increasing about the same rate as us and nothing to do with it.

	02-09-2003 02:45									#36
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Here's a clearer chart of WF for all cities in the area. Apolyton is at size 5 with a +3 food surplus. Apolyton, Mingapulco and Bananatopia are all at 10 SPT.

	02-09-2003 08:37									#37
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Demographics stuff:

GNP: 178+, 141, 111, 45, 39, ?, ?
MFG: 67+, 66, 62, 36, 24, ?, ?

We're 2nd in GNP and 3rd in MFG (141 and 62).

GWT is 1st in GNP and 2nd in MFG. CGN is 3nd in GNP and 1st in MFG. GCA is 4th in both. CFC is 5th in both. Firaxis is 6th and Grenouille is 7th, but they're as good as dead so their stats are pretty much irrelevant at this point.

	02-09-2003 11:24									#38
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Diplomacy:
Build embassy with Webring (57 gold). Immediately after contacting the German galley

Offer Feudalism and contact with CFC to GWT. Unaccepted

Unit Movement and Actions:
S08 'Scourge' moves 8 9 8
S12 'Steelglove' moves 8 9 8
S09 'Hawkeye' moves 9 8. Upg all (60 gold)
S10 'Grog' moves 9 8. Upgrade to MI (20 gold)
S06 'Slash' moves 9 8. Upgrade to MI (20 gold)

G01 'AS Princess of Apolyton' moves 7 8 8. Contact Webring galley
G02 'AS Expedition' [Flash, Jagjef] moves 6 (Port Blacksand is empty) 6 3. Fortify all

M06 named 'wervdon' from Incensity moves 2 2 2
M02 'PanzerSwordsman' moves 2 1
M03 'Arnelos' moves 2 1
M04 'E_T' moves 2 1
M05 'Theseus' moves 2 1

C01 moves 2 1

N01 'MerZenary' attacks Thracian warrior at 8. Wins, no damage
N04 'Togas' moves 4 Ghuzz horse at 2. Ghuzz horse and Nubian warrior at 7
N10 named 'Kloreep' from Apolyton moves 1 2 2

S05 'Hack' moves 3

H03 'vonHorseman' moves 2 2 2 1 2 1

W08 'not_panag' moves 4 4
W12 'Warrior With No Name' moves 6
W07 'WhiteBandit' moves 4
W05 'BFW' moves 8. Upgrade to MI (60 gold)

N05 'Enamel' moves 7. Fortifies

Worker11: 'Horse' moves 2 3
Worker12: 'Squid' moves 2 3

W03 'Alva' pillages iron tile


Economy:
Apolyton finished merc. Begin settler (3)
Mingapulco building mi (2)
Banantopia building merc (2)
Incensity finished mi. begin mi (5)
Tripoli building court house (7)
Equilibrium building walls (14)
Cuido de Alcohol building cat (16)
Hispanica building temple (1)
Possumopolis building cat (2)
Karina building cat (17)
LuxInvicta changed to granery (11)
Big Bend finished worker. Begin worker (10)
BigFurryCity building to temple (2)
Heart of Darkness changed to cat (6)

WF:
Apolyton changed to 5-6-8-17-18-19
Mingapulco changed to 2-3-5-8-9
Banantopia NC
Incensity NC
Tripoli NC
Equilibrium scientist
Cuido de Alcohol NC
Hispanica NC
Possumopolis NC
Karina NC
LuxInvicta changed to 4-7-13
Big Bend NC
BigFurryCity NC
Heart of Darkness NC

Workers:
Worker01: 'Dan' clearing (3) Big bend 6
Worker02: 'Monkee' clearing (5) Nana 2 1
Worker03: 'panag' irrigating (2) Hisp 3
Worker04: 'EVC' mining (2) HoD 3 3
Worker05: 'Dejon' mining (2) HoD 3 3
Worker06: 'MrWIA' mining (2) HoD 3 3
Worker07: 'Rush' moves 7
Worker08: 'Yo' clearing (11) Karina 3
Worker09: 'Calc II' clearing (5) Nana 2 1
Worker10: 'Spink' roads (3) BFC 8 7
Worker11: 'Horse' moved 2 3 mining (3) Tripoli 9
Worker12: 'Squid' moved 2 3 mining (3) Tripoli 9
Worker13: 'Otto' moves 9
Worker14: 'Mark' moves 9
Worker15: 'Gits' clearing (3) Big bend 6
Worker16s: 'Farb' roading (3) Equilibrium 6
Worker17: 'Yin' moves 8
Worker18: 'Lib' mining (1) Cuido 4
Worker19: named 'rah' moves 7 4


Slider: 9/0/1 tax/sci/lux. +33gpt. 5 gold.
1 scientist. Engineering in 30

	02-09-2003 14:49									#40
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Ok, we have a dilema of sorts. Our Galley, PoA is 4 turns from being able to land two Swords on GCA's Iron. We are ~9 turns from attacking GCA.

What do we do with those 5 turns? Do we head back towards CFC terr then turn around at just the right time to land on the Iron on the DoW turn? Do we stay put, trying to keep out of GCA's sight? GCA may wonder where our Galley has went, and come scouting for it with a Horsemen if we hang out near their South; then if they find it, the will become highly suspicious of why we are hanging out down there.

If we go right on by the lading point, then turn around later and back track, a move GCA will also be suspicious of, we may find that the Iron is covered by a unit when we return.

I think our best hope is to back track right now, then turn around at the oportune point and hope that a GCA Horseman doesn't spot us on the way back again. I think we have a good chance at doing that; GCA may not want to keep a unit just to scout our Galley. In fact, the one that was scouting it, was not seen last turn.

	02-09-2003 16:42									#41
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Backtrack, Rename the boat, then come back.

They may still be wary, but we can explain it is a different galley circling the continent from the other direction.

And where did PoA go ?? We used it as a suicide galley and lost her. Or lost her to barbarian ships.

	02-09-2003 18:34									#42
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Agree with H_E. PoA sails away, and a new boat sails up when it is time. We don't want them to scent blood in the water, if you'll excuse the pun.

	02-09-2003 19:39									#43
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Good idea, H_E!

	02-09-2003 19:56									#44
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And the new name should be a logical extension of our boat naming policy.

something like AS Princess of Banatopia

	02-09-2003 20:00									#45
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What about Jungle Beauty?

	02-09-2003 20:16									#46
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The Jungle Queen.... A mix of teh African Queen and the Jungle Beauty.

E_T

	02-09-2003 20:26									#47
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Yeah, Jungle Queen is better... after all, Princesses often become Queens...

	02-09-2003 20:28									#48
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Bride of Kurtz (continuing the Heart of Darkness theme).


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	03-09-2003 02:08									#49
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I like Jungle Queen.

	03-09-2003 05:04									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae Bride of Kurtz (continuing the Heart of Darkness theme).

In that vein, how about naming the ship after that "The Horror"?

	04-09-2003 18:08									#51
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It came from out of the Jungle....

	05-09-2003 04:18									#52
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Figure an Exie to quote Kurtz.