31-08-2003 06:28									#1
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I ask this question as I recently started playing "Z" again after many years of it being in mothballs. It was far more fun to me than AoK is now. Obviously, AoK is more advanced than Z, but I often find if I leave a game alone for around 6 months, it will entertain me for at least two weeks. So, it poses the question "No matter how advanced games become, are they as fun as the older ones" (e.g. Sim City 4 is just as fun as Colonisation when it was first released)

Discuss.

	31-08-2003 06:30									#2
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I spent DAYS even weeks playing some of those early primative games from 10-15 years ago. I can't say the same from the newer games.

Of course they may have something to do with having less free time as we get older.

	31-08-2003 07:14									#3
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that works for original games, not so much sequels and derivitives.

civ3 > civ2 IN MY OPINION. DONT FLAME THIS., and i can't go back.

i play games like Star Control, Star Reach, and Ascendancy when i feel like it, and they're fairly old.

	31-08-2003 07:19									#4
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If you have the right ammount of games, you might never have to buy more again. By the time you finish with the last, you'll want to play the first .

	31-08-2003 07:25									#5
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There are plenty of new games that are fun, BUT it is much easeir now to get bogged down wth all the new possibilities and the new graphics and at the end come out with a product that looks fine but in the end doesn;t really work. The limitations of the past forced the game developers to stick to fewer avenues to amke something fun. They still failed a lot of the time, but they had less distractions.

For example, I can;t really stand most of the new Mario games that are essentially 3D: by the same token, I didn;t like the Original Mario that much. I think the pinnacle was Mario 3, and Mario for the SNES was a great runner up.

For me though, the SNES version of Sper Mario Kart is king.

	31-08-2003 07:32									#6
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You young Whippersnappers.

The best games ever are:

1. Jetpac (you have a jetpack)
2. Joust (what could be better than flying ostriches?)
3. Trashman (you collect trash and avoid dogs and angry citizens)
4. Atic Atac
5. The Lords of Midnight.
6. Spellbound
7. Sweevo's World
8. Jet Set Willy
9. Jack the Nipper (you're a toddler and get points for being naughty)
10. Dun Darach

	31-08-2003 07:35									#7
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Any list without SMB3 or SMK is delusional.

	31-08-2003 07:37									#8
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Any list without SMB3 or SMK is delusional.

Too new.

	31-08-2003 07:39									#9
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Comeoff it grandpa: These were the best games ever!2

	31-08-2003 07:39									#10
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I mean.. look at the graphics!!!!!

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	31-08-2003 07:43									#11
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I forgot Skooldaze - Grange Hill for your Spectrum!!!

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	31-08-2003 07:47									#12
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	31-08-2003 07:50									#13
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Well, look at this:

arg!!

	31-08-2003 07:55									#14
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Donkey Kong!

	31-08-2003 08:01									#15
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There are still plenty of great games being released, For example, Ghost Master, Dark Fall, Mafia, Galciv, Starfleet Command, Syberia, Rollercoaster Tycoon, etc. that stand up to (and sometimes beat) some of the great games of yesteryear.

However, to some extent, I certainly would agree that theres a valid complaint to be made. Part of it may be simply that I had more time to play games (and enjoy them) long ago as apposed to now. Another part is that we remember the good games while forgetting the horrid games. However, to some extent, there are a lot less experimental and unique games nowadays - probably due in part to the high cost of games, so that now, a single individual cant create a game in their garage the way it once was. Also, given the high cost, a return in profits is much more important, meaning that publishers want games that have a history of doing well - which also means that entire genres (like wargames, adventure games, etc, get overlooked). And, with graphics (and music) becoming more and more important (to both the designer and the player) it's not suprising that the gameplay might not be able to catch up - consider games now that require most of the effort to be concentrated on the graphics, the engine, the music, etc, whereas 15 years ago, when there was little (or not) graphics, most of the effort could be put on the game.

But, as I said, there will continue to be some good (and occasionally unique) games released.

	31-08-2003 08:02									#16
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Well, look at this: arg!!

That's a candidate for weird post of the day.

	31-08-2003 08:06									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon That's a candidate for weird post of the day.

I couldnt get the pic to post..ahh, the magic of edit.

	31-08-2003 09:21									#18
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Civ2 > Civ3 when I want scenarios, unless I'm bored and want "shiny new-looking" stuff and cultures....then Civ3 > Civ2, of course. It's basically Civ2=Civ3 on average.

Oh, and Sim City (SNES) > Sim City (PC).

As for slightly older games than that...Hidden Agenda, Middle East Political Simulator and another political-type game I can't quite remember are cool too (I don't recall where to get them, use google.com or something).

	31-08-2003 09:35									#19
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The first three Space Quest games. Oh man I loved those games. Sigh.

	31-08-2003 09:44									#20
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Cool ass old games:

1. Metroid
2. Defender
3. Joust
4. Missle Command
5. Galaga
6. Berzerker
7. Warlords

Weak ass old games:

1. Qbert
2. Maze Craze
3. Pac Man

	31-08-2003 10:37									#21
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Depends on the game, the key is for the newer games to advance in game play and in "fun", not just graphics and sound and the like.

Europa Universalis II simply crushes all strategy games that came before it(probably my favorite game of all time). Also, not many older games will compete with Starcraft/Warcraft III, as Battle.net allows months and months if not years of replayability.

	31-08-2003 10:40									#22
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Starcraft forever

	31-08-2003 11:10									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Frozzy It was far more fun to me than AoK is now. Obviously, AoK is more advanced than Z,

That's because AOK sucks. Get Total Annihilation, Warlords Battlecry II, or Kohan if you want a fun RTS.

	31-08-2003 11:11									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker 7. Warlords

:d: :d: :d:

I am enjoying the demo of Warlords IV now.

	31-08-2003 11:26									#25
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If we're really talking about golden oldies then I can remember having a eight hour long Pac-Man contest with my uncle back in like 1984. My cousin and I used to play pong (let's see how many of you whipper-snappers even know what that one is/was) for hours on end (though I think those funny paddles used to play the game were never used for any other games). Space Invaders & Asteroid also win awards in my mind.

	31-08-2003 11:32									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Edan Starfleet Command

What? That game sucks

	31-08-2003 11:33									#27
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Newer games include all of my C64 favorite. Spyhunter, 7 Cities of Gold, Pool of Radience, That one spy game with the evil master mind who says "Stay a while.... STAY OF EVER!!!! HAHAHAHA" (Which game was that?), Blue Max, Red Storm Rising, Dragon Riders of the Pern, and others.

	31-08-2003 11:40									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger What? That game sucks

The game is great (if somewhat buggy - but it didn't interfere with my enjoying the game). And it spawned three sequels, so someone must agree with me.

Unless you're confusing it with Starfleet Academy. That game sucked.

	31-08-2003 11:44									#29
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OMFG CIV3 SUX

	31-08-2003 12:26									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Edan The game is great (if somewhat buggy - but it didn't interfere with my enjoying the game). And it spawned three sequels, so someone must agree with me.

Not surprisingly, there are lots of tiny brained wipers of other people's bottoms