08-09-2003 08:40									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh I am completely the other way round when using linux. I do everything from the command line. I hate having to use the mouse, nad drag and drop and stuff - what a pain in the arse that is

I REALLY don't know what to say about this muppet!

Obviously after some 'Geek Cred' for doing things the hard way

	08-09-2003 09:09									#62
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Those who think using a commandline is bad: compare the speed you move the mouse at to the speed you type at. Also, every Linux install I have used has the ReadLine library installed. That means that if I type the start of a word into an xterm and hit tab, the word completes. This more than doubles my effective typing speed.

Spiffor: Most games and libraries use configure scripts. Most configure scripts take the --prefix=PREFIX argument which sets the installation directory. When running a configure script, pass it "--prefix=/home/spiffor/game_executables" as an argument. This won't help unless your add this line to your .bashrc (or whatever shell you use, I think bash is default on RedHat)
export PATH="/home/spiffor/game_executables/:/home/spiffor/installed_libs:$PATH"

	08-09-2003 09:10									#63
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*shakes head*

	08-09-2003 09:17									#64
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quote: Originally posted by geeslaka Those who think using a commandline is bad: compare the speed you move the mouse at to the speed you type at.

Okay, genius. Let's play more games:

"Those who think using a GUI is bad: compare the speed at which you draw with the mouse to the speed you draw with the keyboard."

"Compare the speed at which you click a file in Explorer than typing out its name."

"Compare the speed you select multiple files in Explorer by holding clicking the top, holding SHIFT, and selecting the bottom, to typing out some kind of REGEXP if it applies at all."

CLIs and GUIs both have their strengths and weaknesses.

CLI nutcases are simply insensitive geeks who don't know how most people think about, and use, computers.

GUIs save time and make life simpler in general. It's your incorrect mindset that CLI is best for most things which is why Linux is such a craptastic desktop for anyone but hardcore geeks desperate for geek-acceptance so they, too, can shout "RTFM" to all of the clueness n00bs on IRC.

	08-09-2003 09:19									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Asher GUIs save time and make life simpler in general. It's your incorrect mindset that CLI is best for most things which is why Linux is such a craptastic desktop for anyone but hardcore geeks desperate for geek-acceptance so they, too, can shout "RTFM" to all of the clueness n00bs on IRC.

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	08-09-2003 09:21									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Asher hardcore geeks desperate for geek-acceptance so they, too, can shout "RTFM" to all of the clueness n00bs on IRC.

Actually, I got almost all the help I used from geek forums (I browsed them with some google-assistance). Geeks can be very helpful... They just sometime tend to forget that for the newbie, simply executing a program isn't always easy under Linux.

I only undertsood a few hours ago why writing the program's name when you were in its directory wasn't enough And I still can't understand why double clicking on the program doesn't execute it.

	08-09-2003 09:31									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Okay, genius. Let's play more games: "Those who think using a GUI is bad: compare the speed at which you draw with the mouse to the speed you draw with the keyboard."[/q[ I draw very precisely. If I could, I would set a keystroke to take the place of a mouseclick because I would mess up less when drawing. [q]"Compare the speed at which you click a file in Explorer than typing out its name."

As I said, I hit three keys, the first two are the start of the name, the third is tab to complete it.

quote: "Compare the speed you select multiple files in Explorer by holding clicking the top, holding SHIFT, and selecting the bottom, to typing out some kind of REGEXP if it applies at all."

Does Explorer allow you to select noncontiguous groups now?

quote: CLIs and GUIs both have their strengths and weaknesses. CLI nutcases are simply insensitive geeks who don't know how most people think about, and use, computers.

Correction for me specifically: I don't CARE how other people do things. I have my way of doing things and I will defend it until the day I die.

quote: GUIs save time and make life simpler in general. It's your incorrect mindset that CLI is best for most things which is why Linux is such a craptastic desktop for anyone but hardcore geeks desperate for geek-acceptance so they, too, can shout "RTFM" to all of the clueness n00bs on IRC.

Shouldn't that be clueless? I consider Linux (specifically the Sawfish window manager and any others with viewports) to be better than windows because it has something windows never has had and probably never will have, viewports.

	08-09-2003 09:32									#68
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Spiffor: What are you using for file browsing?

	08-09-2003 09:33									#69
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quote: Originally posted by geeslaka Shouldn't that be clueless?

Oh no, a typo! Thank you ever so kindly for finding that for me, I'm sure everyone was confused.

quote: I consider Linux (specifically the Sawfish window manager and any others with viewports) to be better than windows because it has something windows never has had and probably never will have, viewports.

Windows has viewports/multiple desktops.

It's not my fault you're too ignorant to know how to enable them.

	08-09-2003 09:47									#70
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2d or 3d? And what is the method for switching between them?

	08-09-2003 09:48									#71
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Eh? 2D. You get a little taskbar toolbar with a grid of your desktops. You click the desktop you want to switch to.

	08-09-2003 09:54									#72
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Sawfish has 3d, but, I admit, by default it's only 1d. I have used KDE and Gnome, which both use a clickable grid for viewport nav, and I find that I prefer not to have the annoying thing on my desktop. Thus, I use Sawfish now and have key combos for going to and sending windows to different viewports.

BTW - Is there a limit on the number of viewports? And can they be arranged in any rectangular shape?

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What the toolbar looks like:

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	08-09-2003 09:56									#74
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When you click the green preview button, the screen is resized in realtime and elegantly zooms out to show all of your desktops. You then click the one you want, and it'll elegantly zoom back in...

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	08-09-2003 09:57									#75
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fluxbox beats them all

right click and all your **** is there

plus it loads instantly without all those useless KDE and Gnome utilities

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I must admit, that is well drawn, but I still prefer to keep unnecessary clutter to a minimum.

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I just remembered somehing, does windows have tear off menus?

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Depends what you mean tear off menus?

	08-09-2003 12:16									#79
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These. When I click on the dashed line at the top of the menu, it converts to a window. Admittedly, I rarely use this feature, but I still think it's cool.

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	08-09-2003 12:19									#80
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And people say Windows is bloated with useless features.

	08-09-2003 12:59									#81
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Tear-off menus are the spawn of Satan. I've never found a use for them. When I have accidentally torn off menus, I have had to spend time to figure out how to put them back. And I'm not a newbie who gets scared if a computer does something unexpected...

I agree with Ted, sort of. Fluxbox definitely beats KDE and GNOME if you know what you're doing. I prefer evilwm myself (I start all programs from terminals anyway), but I've used fluxbox and it's definitely a very fine WM... it's also rather popular in the Gentoo community. Still, among the mid-to-light-weight window managers (evilwm is a feather-weight WM), IceWM is my favourite, even though it does not follow the UNIXy doctrine of doing one thing and doing it well... instead, it does a little of everything, but in a way that Just Works. I never really needed to configure it much. It just did what I wanted it to do by default.

	08-09-2003 16:05									#82
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the windows xp powertoy for multiple desktops sucks, performance wise.

if you've an ati or nvidia card, you're much better off using their multiple desktop software with their driver packages.

fluxbox is great, mostly because it's lighter weight than kwindows (i think that's what it is).

my one complaint about linux is that it's not as useful on dialup as it is on broadband.