03-09-2003 10:17									#1
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This actually got me thinking...if an extra-terrestrial were born in the United States, would it be a citizen?

Does it make a difference if it's "in the open" but hides the fact that it isn't human?

Does it make a difference if it just hides, period?

Can it even be called an extra-terrestrial or alien?

	03-09-2003 10:31									#2
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One would presume this was not a question which troubled the Framers...

No, they wouldn't be, any more than a horse or cat, because "person" is defined as a human being in US legal practice.

	03-09-2003 10:41									#3
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Now that's just sad.

Wold they have any standing under the law?

	03-09-2003 10:46									#4
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat No, they wouldn't be, any more than a horse or cat, because "person" is defined as a human being in US legal practice.

That didn't stop a tentacle from becoming president in the game Day of the Tentacle. Obviously one of you are wrong - who am I to believe. A mere mod on some strange website, or an actual computer game?

	03-09-2003 11:12									#5
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat One would presume this was not a question which troubled the Framers... No, they wouldn't be, any more than a horse or cat, because "person" is defined as a human being in US legal practice.

"person" is not strictly defined as human. and i'm sure if our benevolent alien overlords saw fit to live amoung us, we would rewrite the law (and most major religions) for them.

	03-09-2003 11:35									#6
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk This actually got me thinking...if an extra-terrestrial were born in the United States, would it be a citizen?

Depends how big his laser blasters are

	03-09-2003 12:23									#7
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk This actually got me thinking...if an extra-terrestrial were born in the United States, would it be a citizen? Does it make a difference if it's "in the open" but hides the fact that it isn't human? Does it make a difference if it just hides, period? Can it even be called an extra-terrestrial or alien?

Being Non-Human in the UA would be the best way to get you into a Lab (as Laboratory Alien).
Some Scientist or Military Person would claim, that Human Rights only apply to humans and then abuse your Body for medical Experiments.

Just like it happened to the others in Roswell and other Places

They´d never be Citizens of the USA (at least not until the Scientists have performed all Experiments they want onto the Species, or open diplomatic Contact is established with the Earth and the Planet where these Aliens come from)

	03-09-2003 12:28									#8
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THE TROOTH IS OUT THERE!!!!

	03-09-2003 13:10									#9
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Wow. I thought I was the only one around here who read El Goonish Shive (well, it's more like that I never thought the possibility of other people here reading it)... 'tis a wonderful comic.

	03-09-2003 14:34									#10
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I found it this weekend.

	03-09-2003 16:25									#11
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Wold they have any standing under the law?

I don't think there's many regulations for lab animals.

	03-09-2003 18:07									#12
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If we encountered aliens and some of them had chosen to live with us (or we changed the intelligence level of dolphins or chimps and gave them our extelligence as well) then i'm pretty sure that laws would be changed in order for them to become fully legal citizens.

	03-09-2003 18:45									#13
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quote: Originally posted by el freako If we encountered aliens and some of them had chosen to live with us (or we changed the intelligence level of dolphins or chimps and gave them our extelligence as well) then i'm pretty sure that laws would be changed in order for them to become fully legal citizens.

Only, if they aren´t needed as Lab Animals

	03-09-2003 19:15									#14
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quote: Originally posted by el freako If we encountered aliens and some of them had chosen to live with us (or we changed the intelligence level of dolphins or chimps and gave them our extelligence as well) then i'm pretty sure that laws would be changed in order for them to become fully legal citizens.

extelligence?

	03-09-2003 22:17									#15
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quote: Originally posted by el freako If we encountered aliens and some of them had chosen to live with us (or we changed the intelligence level of dolphins or chimps and gave them our extelligence as well) then i'm pretty sure that laws would be changed in order for them to become fully legal citizens.

In 1550, the controversy of Valladolid was held to decide whether Indians were human beings.

	03-09-2003 22:41									#16
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huh??/

this is why my sex with a wookie thread was valid

would it be beastiality?

Jon Miller

	03-09-2003 23:28									#17
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The week of strange coincidences just keeps on happening. Only the other day I was reading up on the old TV show/TV movies Alien Nation that involved a race called the Tectonese being stranded on Earth when their slave ship crashed near L.A. When the subtext of racism wasn't being thrown in your face, the series did deal a lot on how to intergrate a non-human intelligent species into American culture.

I think the solution was to grant them all American citizenship a la Cubans fleeing Cuba because a) they had no way to go home and b) if they went home they'd be re-enslaved.

	04-09-2003 00:55									#18
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun extelligence?

Extelligence, or collective intelligence to give it another name, is the ability (unique to humans as far as we know) to 'store' and 'process' some of their intelligence outside of the organism itself. The main repositories of extelligence are culture, civilization and the like.

When we say we are looking for intelligent 'aliens' we usually really mean extelligent aliens - dolphins are intelligent but not extelligent.

	04-09-2003 01:04									#19
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All these assumes, of course, that we can even recognise alien sentience and intelligence. I mean, they could be really alien. Totally unfathomable and not just a bit strange with funny ears.

Who wants to explain the concept of individual rights to a race of, say, swarming insects that communicate via, oh, biological radio emmitters and have a system of collective intelligence that doesn't recognise the concept of an individual? Lefty? MtG?

When you teach the intelligent hydrogen cloud on how to get a driver's license, call me.

	04-09-2003 03:02									#20
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quote: Originally posted by el freako Extelligence, or collective intelligence to give it another name, is the ability (unique to humans as far as we know) to 'store' and 'process' some of their intelligence outside of the organism itself. The main repositories of extelligence are culture, civilization and the like. When we say we are looking for intelligent 'aliens' we usually really mean extelligent aliens - dolphins are intelligent but not extelligent.

thanks for the info

	04-09-2003 03:23									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Who wants to explain the concept of individual rights to a race of, say, swarming insects that communicate via, oh, biological radio emmitters and have a system of collective intelligence that doesn't recognise the concept of an individual?

I would at once assemble my Warfleets to exterminate them as soon as possible.

My wars against the Klackons have taught me this Lesson

	04-09-2003 03:44									#22
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Joe's apartment could really use a cleaning.