26-12-1999 18:31									#1
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First of all my congratulation to Civilization Community.

Happy Christmas and Happy New Year.

Long live our Civilization for ever !

I suggest an action for common interests. I just totally reconstructed
my old site War Gallery and find possibility to get free web space.
I published my new 40 good graphic units for Your scenarios and
opened some new sections, for example section of pictures for Your title
pages and section of the gif graphic for You site improvements (no Civilization
images).

My policy now is changed. I have no more
time to create big scenarios, Such as Spartacus,
Quebec, etc. and only two my scenario will be completed
(Russian Civil War - almost done, ) and America
(II parts : «Piracy world» and «Young Nation».

But I have place to put a pair of the best scenarios of another
to my site for a month for two months (it is depend of quality of a scenario)
The really good scenario I can UPGRADE with my graphic. But it must
be totally completed, tested scenario and may be approved on Apolyton’s
forum.

And so ... What two best scenarios of the last time You can call?

PS. The address of War Gallery is not changed:
http://www.aha.ru/~mor

PS - do not call Red Front - it is olready
planned for War Gallery.

	26-12-1999 19:07									#2
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I kind of like the old one better, but this one we'll all get used to.

Keep up the great work, Alex!

	27-12-1999 10:29									#3
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Happy New Year, Alex! I nominate "The End of the Bronze Age", by Kull.

	27-12-1999 10:38									#4
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Great Page, Alex!

	27-12-1999 01:23									#5
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Welcome back, Alex!
I could think of a few excellent older scenarios with poor units or even just a mix of inconsistent units... But some authors may take this the wrong way? I will definitely upgrade "2194 Days of War" with the newest graphics from "Red Front".
Is there any other WWII scenario that should get such a cosmetic upgrade? (Since I now have a massive amount of WWII units?)

	27-12-1999 02:29									#6
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Hi Captain.
I think the "wrong" way is not impossible.
I have no aim to apgrade ANY scenarios, only very good or original. And if I have time. But the place on my site is a good room for
ambitious authors. They are welcome!

Somebody know about "Northern War"?I listened rumors about it. I know all uniforms fro this game. Is a "Bronze Age"
only a single good scenario of last months?

	28-12-1999 05:21									#7
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Nice site (the Netscape version), although having an adult link at the top is a questionable idea for a civ site.:-)

Artaxerxes by Stefan Hartel and Homer V3 by Allard Hofelt deserve a mention.:-)

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	28-12-1999 08:09									#8
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There were several good scenarios but I can't think of any that need your artwork.

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	28-12-1999 17:15									#9
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Hi St. Leo, Thank You for visit my site. It is sorry that You was unable to see it under
Explorer, much better.

But I think You are wrong when You talk about adult section. Here was a great discussion on Apolyton about the age of Civ-II fans. More them 50 % were
people above 22-25 and not less them 30 % were above 30. I do not remember
quantity but Marcos even made calculation.
And so adult guys are the main "population" of this world.
Moreover, I think funs of Civ -II are divided on two categories - one of them
almost maniacs (I have nothing against them) and live in Civ-II world as in a trap, having no interests to real life. Another category is people who looks on Civ-II as on a hobby (I am belong to this goup) and fave many interests and very active in different spheres of life. I got many letter from my visitors during this years and find that
many of them interested in a politic, adult materials, art etc. I liked to talk with
them (it is pity that I had no much time for it). Some others had nothing to say only about, scenarios, units etc. I
never support this talks much.
Also, we have a democracy here, I warned everybody before he goes
to «adult» room of War Gallery, and each person have chance to return.

PS. I know well known scenario which can be totally upgraded with graphic
It is my favorite old «Vikings» by Harlan Thompson who is a pioner of scenario World. Since he done this scenario we got so much good graphic, especially with new Erwan’s
(profeccional painter, even better than I am) infantry units and cities of Captain Nemo, on some other designers . I have many perfect ships for this game and still think that my Norman vessel (see «elite
graphic section of War Gallery» is one of my best units.
I vote for «Vikings De Luxe» by Harlan Thompson if he let me to upgrade
this scenario with graphic. But I lost his e-mail and have no more
this original scenario itself. Anybody can help?

	28-12-1999 19:32									#10
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Alex, where can I see Erwan's graphics? If they are better than yours, then they must be the best units ever.

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SERENITY NOW!

	30-12-1999 00:47									#11
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Alex, don't take this the wrong way, just as some friendly advice.

quote: Moreover, I think funs of Civ -II are divided on two categories - one of them almost maniacs (I have nothing against them) and live in Civ-II world as in a trap, having no interests to real life. Another category is people who looks on Civ-II as on a hobby (I am belong to this goup) and fave many interests and very active in different spheres of life.

I always find that the internet people who care that much about what other internet people think to go out of their way to proove they have a life, are the ones that don't.

As for your "adult content", I have not visited the page (although I could just by looking at the html source) yet and I don't plan on. I'm assuming that its pornography... Anyway, its a dirty business and I don't support it. Another interesting thing about pornography is that adults aren't going to be the ones using it, its going to be your underage fellows. Trust me.

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Who was born in a house full of pain
Who was trained not to spit in the fan
Who was told what to do by the man
Who was broken by trained personnel
Who was fitted with collar and chain
Who was given a pat on the back
Who was breaking away from the pack
Who was only a stranger at home
Who was ground down in the end
Who was found dead on the phone
Who was dragged down by the stone.

	30-12-1999 01:00									#12
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NickC: Here is Erwan's page, with loads of very nice units:
Civ II Units
[This message has been edited by Mercator (edited December 29, 1999).]

	30-12-1999 02:34									#13
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Hi Michael Jeszenka,
I am VERY respect You, but at the same time
I am very surprised, how You can talk something about the page where You was not?
Including "adult materials". Do You know a story about three adult men and elephant?
Seriously?

	30-12-1999 02:38									#14
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Sorry , I wanted to say "three BLIND men and an elephant". It was a mistake...

	30-12-1999 02:45									#15
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No I've never heard it. Sorry, I just assumed it was pornography. After all, it did say "sex in russia" on the page. I've learned from the internet that when a page says adults only, 99% of the time it means porno.

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Who was born in a house full of pain
Who was trained not to spit in the fan
Who was told what to do by the man
Who was broken by trained personnel
Who was fitted with collar and chain
Who was given a pat on the back
Who was breaking away from the pack
Who was only a stranger at home
Who was ground down in the end
Who was found dead on the phone
Who was dragged down by the stone.

	30-12-1999 04:10									#16
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Jeszenka, I've seen the page, and don't worry, there's nothing bad about it, if these simple words will reassure you. You haven't seen it? It's quite easy to get in really.. Anyway, there's nothing to fear for us "intellectuals", no reason to worry.

Alex, if I may propose 2 scenarios, I would propose Vikings by Harlan Thompson( harlant@hawaii.edu (though I'm not sure this email address is still valid)) and either Darius or Artaxerxes by Stefan Härtel ( Stefan.Haertel@t-online.de ). Why these?
Vikings is the greatest scenario there is, but it is starting to get really really old, all units being recycled hundreds of times. Improving these would add a new dimension to the scenario.
Artaxerxes as well as Darius are also great scenarios. Very fun to play, and they already have great art, but I think that when art will be improved, the scenario will be more appreciated to its value.

Also, Alex, I still owe you an email. I'll contact you as soon as possible.. It's holidays now!

As for my scenario Homer v3 as Leo proposed; I don't like it personally. And also, perhaps more important, I don't want to give it "away", if you understand what I mean.. after all, it's my scenario... I want my scenarios to remain mine. no matter how naive that may sound.

	30-12-1999 07:46									#17
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Personally, I have nothing against adult sites. It's just that I feel that you should link to any such sites from a general page, not a CivII one.:-)

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	30-12-1999 16:44									#18
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Hi,

I will send a letter to Harlan. I hope he will agree. He always told that he work for common interests.

Also I will ask him to allow me to have his «Gengis Khan» scenario - this last may be not need a graphic improvement, but for Vikings we have a lot of new images.

Hi St Leo. There are no adult «links» on my site, and so You are wrong.
But there are a link to Russian Press on line on English, including Chechenia
war info.

The story about three blind men. Three blind men met an elephant. They did not see him but felt something in front of them. One man took an elephant’s tail and said: «Hey, we found a rope». Another man touched elephant’s lag and said : «No, it is a big pillow». The third men took elephant’s ear and said:
«What we are talking about, it is a plant with big leafs».

The morale of this story is: everybody can get in a trap if he try to talk about something, what he can not se!

	31-12-1999 02:26									#19
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you saw nothing...
[This message has been edited by Michael Jeszenka (edited December 30, 1999).]

	31-12-1999 02:26									#20
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I went through the page, and wasn't offended. Funny, I guess. Anyway, I'd say the lesson I've learned is that the connotation of "adult content" in Russia is way different than in America.

	10-01-2000 00:47									#21
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(Off-topic but... thanks for the Russian news service. I have been trying to find Russian news in English, because the western media seems to be putting a rather strange slant on the news. The other day CNN was running rumors as their news, but no one has yet reported the Bin Laden connection or Taliban influence on Chechen military forces. VERY strange... that info seems like big news to me.)

	11-01-2000 18:16									#22
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Apparently Russia has it all wrong. When you go after Islamic militants its OK to use cruise missiles, not conventional troops. And God forbid you use them in your own country.

	17-01-2000 04:54									#23
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Alex and Captain Nemo:

I have downloaded "Spartacus" and "2194days" from your site and they are great! I haven't finished either of them, but I think here's something I'd like to seen if you have a plan to upgrade the scenarios.

Spartacus:

a) The suprises really caught me unprepared at first, but now I have figured out where to expect the next siege. Romans always appear next to the previous parts' quest cities, and no city is sieged twice. Maybe siege Pompie twice would be more surprising.

b) catapults always wander out of the city, and I can use this opportunity to move my archers next to the city and attack the next turn. I could capture Rome in part III this way. It's so easy. Better make catapults move=2 and must return to city so they won't leave the city. Or you can make them rotating so at least some of them will be in the city at any turn (in fact there are some cities which always have cataputs inside, and those caused me a lot of trouble).

c) Also put more missiles in coastal cities, becuase I can sacrafice a trade ship to a missile then use pirates to do amphibious assult.

d) The original spy (before Antroix) can steal a tech, this could interfere with game play, perhaps you should remove him.

e) I can bribe some barbarian montains and use them as shileds when attacking. I defeated the 'camp' traps easily with my archers hiding beneath the barb mountains. I can even attack some cities from there. Please allow no barb mountaints can be bribed.

f) put catapults in towers.

g) lower the defense of Antroix. One time the computer chose him over a yellow elephant to do the defense. He escaped but the elephant did not.


2194days (German):

a) I'd like to have a couple of spies who can investigate cities but cannot do anything else (except bribe/sabotage units). Make an event so at the beginning of the scenario the human player gets a couple of spies, but the AI don't (since AI spies can do all sorts of things).

b) Freight is too cheap. I can make Berlin celebrate then trade with London for instant cash and science. With 544 for matching copper (demand remains after trade) and only 20% discount , I can have one advence each turn. I can even build up a trade route to South America (with Rio) using my subs as escort, that could be more beneficial.

c) better put in readme.txt that German can develop stronger armors, British/USA better aircrafts, German/Russia/Japan missiles, Japan/USA better ships, and so on, so players know which techs to persue.

d) I can sell universities/Libraries and use freights for science. Maybe you can consider lowering the cost for university so I don't get too much instant cash.

e) First turn, Alexaderia doesn't have walls, Giblator doesn't have land units, Jelusalem and staligrad doesn't have aa guns. I can capture those cities easily:
Alexanderia: using tanks;
Giblator: use a freighter to land 4 armors in Spain, amor attack first to get rid of planes, then ships from Rome to get rid of (or at least dent) the carrier and the battleship, then use Stukas to finish the defenses, finally paradrop to occupy;
Jelusalem and Stalingrad: Use 109 fighters to destroy the defense fighters then use Stuka to destroy all other units. Paradrop to occupy the cities.
Better make some good defense units in those cities at the beginning of the scenario.

	17-01-2000 05:28									#24
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Xin, try playing as the Chinese in 2194 Days of War. It tests your skills, but gets annoying if you progress far enough in that there are too many units and the AI wont' let you make anymore.

	17-01-2000 13:24									#25
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Mao: I have to finish all five major civs before trying playing Chinese. If so I guess I should use the Russian folder for the setup.

Captain Nemo:

I really want spies in 2194days because I know how AI choose defense units. By investigating the cities I can use my units more efficiently. There are still some guesses since I don't know which units are vets, but after a couple of rounds of attacking and rechecking I can figure out which unit will be the next. (A hugh benifit, I can get my non-vet units to attack weaklings and hope they can become vets; I can also use bombers if I know AA guns and fighters will not be the next defense unit).

Another question: (I haven't played that part yet.) Normandy landing is triggered by turn counts. However both Americans and British move after German, thus (I suppose) German will have time to kill all landing units before they can do any harm. If that's true I suggest switch the sequence of American and German, or creat a super defense unit to protect the landing troops for one turn (the next turn the protecting unit will crash).

Alex: I'm in part IV of Spartacus now. Romans should be able to build legenaries, but they don't switch the production (still on 'slave market'). Will they switch later, or I have to manually do it for them?

	17-01-2000 21:14									#26
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I used the Japanese events when playing the Chinese. I don't think Nemo is planning on doing more with 2194 Days of War, but I can hope right? Nemo's new one is Red Front, try that. I think historically though, the Germans saw the allies land at Normandy, but then didn't know if it was just a diversion or a real attack, so they held back. This scenario gives the Germans the chance to actually attack had they been given the chance. Make sense? If so, explain it to me

	17-01-2000 21:18									#27
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I think Nemo said somewhere that he wanted to upgrade 2194 Days with Red Front graphics and mechanisms some day. That's probably after he's satisfied with Red Front, however, so it might still be a while.

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	18-01-2000 10:14									#28
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Mao: Jananese setup is in favor of Chinese, Russian setup is in favor of Japanese.

	17-01-2000 23:25									#29
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Mao:

A lot of it had to do with the weather. Many German divisions were left without leaders/commanders because they thought that the Allies wouldn't attack due to the mucky weather. Instead, it ended up raining later on, now on the attack.

	18-01-2000 05:44									#30
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What did that have to do with anything?