26-09-2003 14:41									#211
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen (Oh yes, I guess it's because of the deep and profound level of philosophical content in each post...case in point the slippery eel comment )

Hey that was on topic, because it was addressed at Rah's previous (also on topic) post. If you are discussing why posts count here, all points _about_ spam (so they are merely metaspam and not spam) are of course relevant to the debate.

You just need to think a little more laterally.

	26-09-2003 17:20									#212
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Just because there is an attempt to make posts coherant doesn't mean a thread isn't a spam fest .

The truest post in this thread.

So we'll put this thread on spam alert also.
More RAH math may be in order.

	26-09-2003 20:48									#213
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The way this thread is going, every word has to be weighed carefully, before posted, which is okay.....to a point.

We don't want to get rid of spontaneity, do we? I mean, if poster X says something, you should still be able to adress his post in a witty way. Even though your one-liner may technically be off-topic.

The way I see it, there are two considerations to take:

1 - The particular thread in question. Too many one liners, and witty remarks do in fact turn a thread into a spam fest. These should therefore be allowed, but posters should be aware that they can become subject of moderation, should the threade degenerate.

2 - The poster in question. Obviously this is for the mods to decide. But I imagine that a poster with a spammer reputation would find it harder to post in a thread that is in danger of becoming a spam fest, than a poster that almost always post on topic posts.

I a fully aware that Apolyton is not a democracy, and that I have absolutely no say in these matters, whatsoever, but I felt that this thread had moved towards a discussion about "where the line is". Therefore the above words

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	26-09-2003 21:03									#214
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Yeah, there is still tons of spam compared to the on topic forums... (well, maybe not compared to this forum or the Demo Game Forums )

You forgot civ2MP forum Ming

And no, we usualy work hard for our +1 in the Demogame

	26-09-2003 21:15									#215
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Quick one-line summary...

Judgement call by mod

	26-09-2003 21:54									#216
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Mod-ocracy.

	26-09-2003 22:18									#217
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quote: Originally posted by atawa You forgot civ2MP forum Ming

Good point... I stand corrected

	27-09-2003 07:12									#218
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quote: Oerdin -- 2 alva -- 1 Harry Seldon -- 3 mrmitchell -- 1

Hmm, the last time someone ( cough * BC * cough ) did this I was 'leading' the competition and look at me now, how pathetic...

	27-09-2003 08:11									#219
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Don't be so quick to judge, BC. Afterall, you were moderated recently.

That just gives me better insight to the whole situation.

	27-09-2003 08:34									#220
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Hey that was on topic, because it was addressed at Rah's previous (also on topic) post. If you are discussing why posts count here, all points _about_ spam (so they are merely metaspam and not spam) are of course relevant to the debate. You just need to think a little more laterally.

what the hell is metaspam?

	27-09-2003 08:51									#221
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen what the hell is metaspam?

Its vitamin enriched spam. Fortified for better nutrition!

Uh....... and posts count here but not in the OT because the site owners say so...................

at least part of the post was on topic.............

	27-09-2003 09:13									#222
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Metaspam is posting solely for the reason of pointing out that a post is spam. One mark against counting posts here.

	27-09-2003 10:51									#223
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quote: The truest post in this thread.

*bows* I am to tell the truth... well when I'm not trolling a dirty commie .

	27-09-2003 16:08									#224
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quote: Originally posted by geeslaka Metaspam is posting solely for the reason of pointing out that a post is spam. One mark against counting posts here.

Yes, it was a term I coined to characterise the behaviour of BC, the now elusive metaspam master.

Of course, ordinarily metaspam is just clever spam, but in this thread we are discussing the hows and whys of posts counting here, so I think metaspam (but not spam) is on topic, to a certain extent.

It seems there are a lot of shades of opinion here on whether posts should count, and, if so whether the modding of this forum should change. Maybe a poll would be in order.

	27-09-2003 17:30									#225
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Uhhhh.... Dr Spike... No, a poll isn't in order.

This is not a democracy. The owners made their decision that posts won't count in the OTF. So they don't. It's that simple. The decision was made knowing full well that members would be against it... A new poll isn't going to make them change their minds. Especially since there is now probably more support of their position than there was when the decision was originally made

	27-09-2003 17:47									#226
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I am not saying anything about OT posts at all. I reread it and I think my post is clear on that.

And besides..........I know it is not a democracy (how could I forget that? ). I am not serious about the poll, I was just indicating my surprise at the gamut of opinions on the issue we are discussing here, which is not whether OT posts should count, though some have made points on that related issue.

	27-09-2003 19:31									#227
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My first impression was that it would be cool to have two different systems of rank. One for On topic and one for Off topic. Then Ming's earlier post about this being a site for gamers really hit home. That is what Apolyton is really all about and that is what brought most of us here. This is a site about gamers for gamers and owned by gamers. The off topic is provided for us to maintain and grow our community by providing a forum to express other items of interest to us. A good thing to be sure, but not 'Poly's mission.

We are Gamers who like to talk. When we talk about the games then its +1...when we talk about something else then it shouldn't give the +1 to a level used to determine your contribution to a GAMING COMMUNITY.

Posting in this forum should be counted as it is designed to add to the GAMING COMMUNITY and make it a better experience for all. This cannot be said of the Off Topic.

	27-09-2003 19:51									#228
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That sums it up nicely

	27-09-2003 19:52									#229
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Very true, PLATO. That's pretty much the way I see it also.

EDIT: Ming beat me to the punch. Does he ever sleep?

	27-09-2003 22:02									#230
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quote: A new poll isn't going to make them change their minds.

sad but true

	27-09-2003 22:09									#231
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: A new poll isn't going to make them change their minds. sad but true

That quote is from Ming's post which misinterpreted what was being said here. Now I pretty much agree with Plato's post above, but others (like Chris, who started the thread) clearly don't. I'd presume you also agree with Plato's reasoning............is that right?

	27-09-2003 22:19									#232
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plato sums it up pretty well

	27-09-2003 22:46									#233
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Good.

So, you allowed out to play on weekends then?

	27-09-2003 23:26									#234
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The off topic is a vital magic part of this place. If you got rid of the off topic, you would lose a lot of vital parts of the community. I mean, me.

	28-09-2003 05:20									#235
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quote: you would lose a lot of vital parts of the community

Do you mean the b*llocks by any chance?

	28-09-2003 05:48									#236
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Well, he certainly wasn't referring to the brain.

	29-09-2003 18:58									#237
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quote: Originally posted by TCO The off topic is a vital magic part of this place. If you got rid of the off topic, you would lose a lot of vital parts of the community. I mean, me.

Uh, no one's suggesting we get rid of OT. Where else could folks debate whether your presence is vital?

	29-09-2003 19:14									#238
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The OT is vital to Apolyton. It give the gamers somewhere to go inbetween new games/releases.

Otherwise I'm sure that some people wouldn't have stuck around.

	30-09-2003 04:49									#239
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit Uh, no one's suggesting we get rid of OT. Where else could folks debate whether your presence is vital?

Apolyton CS Forums > Miscellaneous > Apolyton/Community > If posts don't count in the OT why do they here?

	01-10-2003 00:06									#240
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Look at all the +1s in my thread, and that sad sack Mark didn't bother to answer my question!

BTW, I co-invented the democ games that some of you have such a bonner for, and there was no need to spam for those either.

And no Mr Rabbit, I am no mod, nor would I ever be again, one time elsewhere I agreed to that, NEVER again.