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Lincoln is offline Lincoln
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Farmers invade capital for 'fart tax' protest

Central Wellington was clogged with farmers, tractors and cows today, venting their anger against a proposed 'fart tax'.


Hundreds of farmers, about 20 tractors and a similar number of utility vehicles, cars and farm bikes, paraded through Wellington streets before most gathering for a lunchtime rally outside Parliament.


Early in the rally, one of two cows taken on the rally was led up Parliament steps by National MP Lockwood Smith.


The shouting farmers drowned out Science Minister Pete Hodgson as he told them there was potential for agreement on the increased voluntary levies for greenhouse gas research.


The 400 farmers also drowned out Associate Agriculture Minister Damien O'Connor as he told them government funding of research on methane emissions from livestock would risk overseas perceptions of a return to subsidies.


Farmers chanted and sang slogans, and cheered when speakers such as National Party leader Bill English, ACT Agriculture spokesman Gerry Eckhoff and United Future leader Peter Dunne spoke.


Mr English said a National government would repeal any tax that was imposed, while Mr Dunne said he believed the proposed tax was "stupid".


Federated Farmers president Tom Lambie, saying farmers would never pay a "fart tax", presented a petition signed by 64,136 people protesting the proposed tax.


Several hundred farmers and supporters earlier gathered at Wellington's Civic Square today for a lunchtime march to Parliament protesting the tax.


The crowd included 100 farmers from Taranaki and several bus loads of Wairarapa farmers.


"There is genuine concern about unrealistic taxes," Mr Lambie told the protesters. "Over 64,000 signatures show the level of concern".


The petition was tangible evidence that not only farmers but all New Zealanders were worried about the potential effects of the Government's ratification of the Kyoto Protocol.


But though Mr Lambie said there was a concern that the Government had stopped listening to farmers, discussions in the past two days with Science Minister Pete Hodgson and Agriculture Minister Jim Sutton had given "greater recognition" to current industry research into greenhouse gas emission from animals.


"More discussion is needed, but at last the focus is where it should have been all along," Mr Lambie said.


The Government wants to raise about $8 million a year from farmers to help fund research into mitigating agricultural greenhouse gas emissions.


It is proposing a levy on livestock, which would cost farmers an estimated average of $300 a year each, as it is seeks to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in line with the provisions of the Kyoto Protocol.


Mr Lambie said today farmers had earned the right not to be exposed to unrealistic Government policies.


"We hope that recent discussions on research will make any threat to tax evaporate," he said.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisp...section=general

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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

wtf?

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God damn. I'd go broke if I had to pay a tax every time I farted.

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God damn. I'd go broke if I had to pay a tax every time I farted.


There's a line here... and you almost crossed it... not quite, but it was close...

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Suffering from ads?

Always pushing the limits... that's me.

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hmmmmmm, it doesn't seem to mention what a horrible pollutant methane is...

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This is the third thread in a year about this, the second one that was started by Lincoln himself. Obviously the idea of "fart taxes" holds a special abhorrance to the man... perhaps he's worried about becoming impoverished?

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Does a cow produce anywhere near the annual volume of pollution that the average automobile does?

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well its different kinds of pollution
rice paddies are also big sources of methane...

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Put an end to popups!

Perhaps we just oughtta tax Asians?

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Perhaps we just oughtta tax Asians?


Saaaayyyyyyyy, that would be one way to force them to cut back.

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Garbage dumps also produce methane as organic matter decays. Since Americans produce the most garbage maybe we should tax Americans.

Or maybe we should get out of the taxing natural processes business.

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Garbage dumps also produce methane as organic matter decays. Since Americans produce the most garbage maybe we should tax Americans.


Excellent idea.

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It's not actualy the farts, it's the cows burp (also sheep) that produces the methane. They're working on mounting small tanks around the cows neck and placing a mask over the mouth to capture the methane. But to pay for it, they have to tax the farmers.

The farmers here are going nuts over it, they REALLY don't want to pay "fart" taxes.

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The 400 farmers also drowned out Associate Agriculture Minister Damien O'Connor as he told them government funding of research on methane emissions from livestock would risk overseas perceptions of a return to subsidies.




I'm not surprised farmers are angry. This would have to be one of the lamest most pathetic excuses any government has ever come up with.

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I'm not surprised farmers are angry. This would have to be one of the lamest most pathetic excuses any government has ever come up with.


"Weapons of Mass Destruction", anyone?

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This was a result of those wonderful Kyoto accords, right?

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There's a line here... and you almost crossed it... not quite, but it was close...


Pull his finger and he'll cross it.

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Just how high would these taxes be?

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If I recall it is about 0.003 cents per animal

and yes it is because of the kyoto agreement

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And before any of you say "Only 3 cents?!", the sheep farm at the end of my road (on the bank of a large river nonetheless) has 5000 sheep on it. So thats.... a whopping 150 Monopoly Money (Or around 10p in real money)

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This just shows how ridiculous the Kyoto accords are.

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hmmmmmm, it doesn't seem to mention what a horrible pollutant methane is...
I say we tax Boshko for farting.

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