07-09-2003 02:39									#1
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According to a Zogby poll, Bush's approval, has reached a new low - 45%
Only 2 years ago, his approval rating was 82%. Looks like my prediction was right, next November, he won't be able to beat Woody Allen.

	07-09-2003 02:41									#2
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well, 82% was artificcially hi, a donkey would have had that rating after sept 11th, and his rating was low enough before it happened.

besides, he didn't 'win' the last election, he dosn't need to 'win' htis on.

	07-09-2003 02:47									#3
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Good - Maybe America finally understands that monkeys with typewriters can do a better job than this idiot has. I can't believe he's ****ed up the *one* thing I agreed with him on...

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monkeys with typewritters?

sureley, thats called... THE INTERNET!!!

	07-09-2003 03:05									#5
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quote: Good - Maybe America finally understands that monkeys with typewriters can do a better job than this idiot has.

IIRC, an institute in England put a few monkeys and a few computers in the same room. All they did was bang on the case, piss on the monitor, and repeatedly type 'S'.

But it still sounds like they could beat Bush.

	07-09-2003 03:26									#6
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With a 51% turnout last time, this must be the first time in history that the entire population of the world is more interested in one state's election that the citizens of the state itself.

This election will effect the world far more than it will effect the USA

	07-09-2003 03:47									#7
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He's running behind Dad. From CBS News (Sept 2):

quote: WILL BUSH DEFINITELY BE RE-ELECTED [sic] IN 2004? (Registered Voters) George W. Bush Now Yes, re-elected 38% No, a Democrat can win 50% George H.W. Bush 11/1991 Yes, re-elected 47% No, a Democrat can win 42%

Poll: Democratic Field's Wide Open

	07-09-2003 03:51									#8
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I will open a bottle of Champagne if he's not reelected, I swear . Or maybe 2

	07-09-2003 03:54									#9
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quote: Originally posted by uh Clem He's running behind Dad. From CBS News (Sept 2): Poll: Democratic Field's Wide Open

When I looked at the result of the poll it does not look as bad as you guys paint it to be. Personaly I think everyone of the people running on the Democratic side would not be very good president.

I think that if Bush can get the attacks to subside in Iraq he will get a good chance of winning in Nov. 2004 and that is still a year away and I think its way to early to tell when the democrats have not even picked who they want to run to go around saying who is going to win and who is going to lose this election.

	07-09-2003 04:08									#10
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Iraq can't save Bush now. He has nothing to gain there and a lot to lose. The best he can hope for is basically nothing, and if it blows up, well...

Nobody in the US is going to give a rat's ass about Iraq, if the economy does not regain the millions of lost jobs from the past 2.5 years. The Democrats can run Sponge Bob Squarepants, Sparky the Penguin, or Gary Coleman, and they'll still win.

It doesn't matter what the stock market's doing, it doesn't matter what housing is doing. Bush is virtually certain to be the first president since Herbert Hoover to preside over a net loss in jobs in the US.

Hoover didn't get a second term either.

	07-09-2003 04:16									#11
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quote: Originally posted by uh Clem Iraq can't save Bush now. He has nothing to gain there and a lot to lose. The best he can hope for is basically nothing, and if it blows up, well... Nobody in the US is going to give a rat's ass about Iraq, if the economy does not regain the millions of lost jobs from the past 2.5 years. The Democrats can run Sponge Bob Squarepants, Sparky the Penguin, or Gary Coleman, and they'll still win. It doesn't matter what the stock market's doing, it doesn't matter what housing is doing. Bush is virtually certain to be the first president since Herbert Hoover to preside over a net loss in jobs in the US. Hoover didn't get a second term either.

I have seen mix news on the economy. On one hand consumer spending is going up, but on other the economy just lost anther 90,000 jobs. I know because I myself been looking for work for the past 3 months and have not gotten anything yet. But the economy might rebound with in the year it might not.

I though dont think a president is responsible for a good or bad economy. Though government can really screw things up I dont see how they can make people go out and buy more things to increase demand and have companies hire more people.

	07-09-2003 04:21									#12
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Spending is up due to all the refinancing of mortages..that can;t go on forever. The economy grew 3% last quarter due to the war..but that is not sustainble. I ams rue the economy can continue to grow at 2.5%-3% for a few more quarters, but that does not seem enough to gain jobs, if after this last quarter 90,000 jobs were still lost.

	07-09-2003 04:25									#13
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I'm pretty sure he could beat Woody Allen. It depends what kind of handicap you gave ol' Woody. I don't think Dubya could beat Woody if Woody had a katana. If he had a knife it would be a close call. Maybe we should send a petition to Celebrity Deathmatch. That would be fun.
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	07-09-2003 04:25									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www I think that if Bush can get the attacks to subside in Iraq he will get a good chance of winning in Nov. 2004

Jesus couldn't stop the attacks in Iraq. Terrorism in the Middle East has continued unabated since '48. Before he was he was Emperor, Bush ran vertually ever company he ran into the ground. He's not someone who could run a "Mission Impossible" team.

Where are all the neocoms hiding - the ones who said I was a leftwing nut? It's harder to label me nuts now that America has woken up.

	07-09-2003 04:28									#15
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quote: Originally posted by reismark Good - Maybe America finally understands that monkeys with typewriters can do a better job than this idiot has. I can't believe he's ****ed up the *one* thing I agreed with him on...

Well, a monkey would be a better president than any of the 9 democrat candidates.

	07-09-2003 04:31									#16
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quote: Originally posted by realpolitic According to a Zogby poll, Bush's approval, has reached a new low - 45% Only 2 years ago, his approval rating was 82%. Looks like my prediction was right, next November, he won't be able to beat Woody Allen.

The 45% is not a real indicator because right now we have all the democrats running for their nomination but Bush doesn't have to run for his. So, basically you got all the dems that are the only ones out in the public campaigning.

It is still a year to the election. A lot can happen. When Bush starts campaigning, the numbers will shift to his favor.

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This poll does point to a successful Bush initiative
Operation Infinite Justice

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Any guesses as to what the shortened name of that should be?

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quote: Originally posted by realpolitic Jesus couldn't stop the attacks in Iraq. Terrorism in the Middle East has continued unabated since '48. Before he was he was Emperor, Bush ran vertually ever company he ran into the ground. He's not someone who could run a "Mission Impossible" team. Where are all the neocoms hiding - the ones who said I was a leftwing nut? It's harder to label me nuts now that America has woken up.

IT is possible that the US can get an Iraq government and army up and running with in the next year. THis would greatly reduce the attacks on US forces and show the American people that progress in Iraq is being made.

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Obviously it should be OIJ, you fool. You owe me a fried baloney sandwich now.
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	07-09-2003 05:35									#21
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If the economy picks up some steam, Bush wins.

	07-09-2003 05:47									#22
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Yep, it's all about the economy.
Something the president has really very little influence on.

	07-09-2003 05:57									#23
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quote: Originally posted by rah Something the president has really very little influence on.

I think of all people, Bush has the MOST influence on the economy. What he does can make or break it.

	07-09-2003 05:58									#24
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Zogby is traditionally one of the polls most biased towards the Democrats.

	07-09-2003 07:37									#25
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat The 45% is not a real indicator because right now we have all the democrats running for their nomination but Bush doesn't have to run for his. So, basically you got all the dems that are the only ones out in the public campaigning. It is still a year to the election. A lot can happen. When Bush starts campaigning, the numbers will shift to his favor.

How many people are paying attention to the Democrats right now? Besides people keenly interested in politics, hardly any. The election is too far away for that. Hell, 2/3 of Democrats can't name any of the candidates, so saying the Democratic campaigning is somehow having an effect on Bush's approval rating is ludicrous. Presidential approval numbers simply aren't effected by opposition campaigning this early.

Bush's numbers are low because people have a low opinion of his performance, period. The Democrats don't have much to do with that (unfortunately, since they've mostly been so spineless).

To those who say the economy improving will ensure his victory--don't count on it. Right now the economy is in more dismal shape re: jobs than Bush Sr. had at this point in 1991. And Bush Sr.s' economy DID improve. The recession ended well before his defeat. The problem was that it was a jobless recovery. That's exactly what we're seeing right now.

History seems to be repeating itself with the Bushes...

	07-09-2003 07:38									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Zogby is traditionally one of the polls most biased towards the Democrats.

You were called on this in another thread, and you slunk away. Put your money where your mouth is and show it. You were dead wrong on Zogby's numbers regarding the 2000 election.

Zogby has one of the best track records of all polling outfits when it comes to accuracy.

	07-09-2003 07:52									#27
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45%?

I don't think so, and interestingly, neither does Gallup, which has him at 59% overall.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr030905.asp

GEORGE W. BUSH JOB APPROVAL ON ISSUES

2003 Aug 25-26

(sorted by "approve")

Approve
Disapprove
Terrorism
66
31

Overall Job Approval
59
37

The situation with Iraq
57
41

Foreign Affairs
55
42

Taxes
52
44

Energy policy
47
44

The economy
45
52

Healthcare policy
43
48

Medicare
40
48

The federal budget deficit
39
55

You can color numbers all kinds of ways, but it's wishful thinking that he is now at 45% overall, try to be intellectually honest in these threads, and they would be a LOT more interesting.

	07-09-2003 07:55									#28
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Speaking of being intellectually honest, you could note that the Gallup numbers are from Aug 25-26, while the Zogby numbers above are from Sep 6. This in line with the trend of his steadily declining approval rating. Of course, different polling outfits will give various numbers, but the downward trend of late is undeniable.

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The problem is this: The economy can grow at 3%, and that can still not be enough. Economic growth must outpace productivity growth AND the growth of the workforce COMBINED. Otherwise, the unemployment rate goes up and more people are unhappy.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Speaking of being intellectually honest, you could note that the Gallup numbers are from Aug 25-26, while the Zogby numbers above are from Sep 6. This in line with the trend of his steadily declining approval rating. Of course, different polling outfits will give various numbers, but the downward trend of late is undeniable.

You believe his points dropped 14 percentage points in 10 days?

You know that isn't the case, the same as I do Boris, and you trust Zogby polls more than Gallup?